Samson posts Ice Tail splicing instructions

NAh.....very easy to splice. Just follow the directions. They sent me a copy a few months ago...there was one part that was wrong...I hope they fixed it!

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nick
 
I just looked at it again. Step 5 has you form the locking brummell. No prob there. In step 6, the written directions say to bury the tail, but the picture shows you to pass the tail THROUGH the rope one more time.

I think you are supposed to just do the locking brummell, then bury the tail. Samson will hopefully chime in.

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nick

see the pic to follow what I'm talking about.
 

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In Brian Toss's video, in a few cases, he lock stitches with one of the longer strands, uncut from what would be step 6 in these instructions. Is there any reason this would not be a superior alternative to using a separate strand for this rope? It seems to me that having it still attached would be better. I'm interested to hear what y'all think is the best way to lock stitch.

-ryan
 
Both are fine. I prefer to use an attached strand, but that isn't always the easiest way to go about finishing the splice. For ice-tail you would have to seperate a bundle of threads from one of the strands of the rope.

Once the splice is complete, there is no noticeable difference either way.

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I spliced some of the samson ice tail and it felt too thick (because of the bury), at least more than I was used to. Been tying fisherman's on each end and love the diameter and how it works on my velocity line... good stuff.

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Hmm, Im apprehensive about the diameter issue. Splices allow me to cram everything, (eye to eye, pulley, climbing line end) on one big biner, which I find easier to manage. If the bury reduces performance by increasing diameter, maybe the "Grizzly Splice" is the superior solution. This would be sad because I find it ugly.

Also, Ive noticed that on the Samson instructions, they recycle an image of a different eye splice to illustrate lock stitching. I assume that it should not go through the Brummel, but start at the bury?

Thanks again, you guys are great. -Ryan
 
The splice makes the whole sling a little thicker. The eye is not thicker, though. You'll still be able to fit it all on the 'biner spliced.

I anchor the thread in the brummell, then do the actual stitching down in the bury. What's important is that the tail does not back out.

You better bring up pics when it's done!

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nick
 
I know what you mean about the Ice Tail diameter growing when you splice it. If you want something smaller, then that All Gear tech cord is really nice. An eye and eye splice on that seems to end up with the perfect diameter that grips on 7/16 and 1/2 ropes. It is a real popular one with us.
 
I'm not necessarily looking for something smaller. I like the handling characteristics of Tenex and am guessing that this is caused by the looseness of the braid enabling it to flatten and maximize surface contact. I worry that if the diameter of Ice Tail is increased, it will be tighter and rounder, and it wont perform as well. Anyway, I have ordered some and will experiment and will post photos of holiday splicing.

-Ryan
 
I prefer the Sherrill grizzly for the Ice Tail for the reason that they add a small core before stitching. It gives it that "tighter rounder" feel you don't care for. Grizzly is a bit bulky but I don't lose sleep over it.
 
I spliced my Ice Tail with locked Brummels and short buries---so the center of the cord is normal diameter. The performance of the cord is very nice but I have frazzeled up my Icetail rather quickly. 3/8ths Sta-set or other Yachting double braid would barely show any wear in the month's climbing I've done on IT..FWIW
 
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Wow, cool! Lately my icetail sling (spliced as Stumper describes with short tails) has been serving as a lanyard adjuster on 3/8" rope. It bites down pretty hard, though. I've put "extra core" in other ropes before for different purposes. Might work here, too.

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nick
 
You know, you raise an interesting idea here. I like the possibility of doing a shorter bury on Ice Tail in order to achieve a rope with the original outside diameter for the majority of the length.

This would have some nice benefits.

First, it would use less rope
Second, it would be a faster splice since you don't have to spend the extra time to do the nice smooth cross over.
Third, you could make a great eye & eye prusik cord that should be real responsive on most climbing lines.

Our sample splice shipment is getting ready to be sent over to the tester, I think I'll whip up one of these and test the break strength, see what happens.

That being said though, we could never sell one like that until Samson would recognize it as a splice is officially OK
 
Those are the same directions I've been using for Tenex. I used them for some icetail a while back. I like the consistent diameter all the way through so I've been using that same splice for HRC and Beeline... the beeline is a little thick and hard until it breaks in... HRC is perfect.

The smooth crossover is tricky and it comes at the end of the splice so if you muff it you have a sub-standard split-tail...
 
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