Samson posts Ice Tail splicing instructions

John, FWIW. Since Icetail was a new material for me I elected to add a step to my short tail bury Brummel splices. I stitched and whipped the tapers before burying. My Idea was/is that since a locked Brummel mechanically locks up the splice the ONLY thing to fear regarding strength/security is the tail unraveling and releasing the mechanical lock. By stitching and whipping the taper I felt certain that however slick and funky the hollowbraid material might be it would stay locked. I seriously doubt that the short burys are any real risk with I T even unwhipped.
 
Stumper, just a quick question to clarify the Ice tail splicing mentioned above. Did you whip the tail end of the rope and then bury it, so that you have whipping twine in the hollow part of the rope?

Just wanted to get a visual idea on this.

Thanks,
 
When I need small whipping twine, I will take a piece of twine, and pull one of the 3 strands off of it and use just that. Stumper, this might be a good idea for your pre-stitching.

You do realize that you are making a small sacrifice in strength, right? You are gaining potentially some or a lot in security, but with a trade off in strength.

love
nick
 
Here is the thing to keep in mind with splices of all types.

The goal is to have a nice and smooth transition in all stages of the rope, the throat, the core taper, the jacket taper (in double braid), all need to have a nice smooth transition in order to provide the highest level of strength.

In terms of our discussion here, with the hollow braid rope like Ice tail (or tenex, tech cord, etc) the primary emphasis will be on having a nice taper, which will provide the maximum strength and holding power since the stresses on the rope will be evenly distributed along the longitude of the rope.

Having a whipped portion within the rope could possibly deter from this goal if that portion of the splice is not tapered and is simply cut and whipped. On top of that, from a usability standpoint, it might hinder a good knot from being set on the rope.

Anyway, method of whipping the core rope will probably result in a rope that will hold you, and eventually you will probably retire the rope due to it being worn out rather than failure.

If you got a brummel splice in there, I wouldn't worry about the security of the splice. Once you load that thing, they tend to set and actually become tough to take apart. Using some extra Ice tail fibers to stitch up the brummel area will keep it from coming apart in a no load situation.

Even with our splices, if splice something like double braid nylon and do the final bury, it really is tough if take the splice apart. Once it gets a good weight load, it becomes darn near impossible!
 
Nick, Yes, I do recognize the possibility of a strength/security tradeoff....but Ice Tail has strength to spare. After splicing it and using I have no doubts about the security of a short,tapered tail bury being adequate. I really can't envision the tail unraveling itself within the rope while buried.... but I was going for absolutely doubt free splices on my first try with a "new" material. The thread I used resulted in a smooth taper-no bulges associated with the whipping.
 
Cool. I agree about the small strength loss being not worth worrying about. I can also see how the prestitching would be barely noticeable.

Neat! I'll have to remember that one in case I ever run into a place where I NEED a short, short bury in some loose rope.

love
nick
 

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