Rope Flattening Issues

[Willber]

Why do people worry about flattening lines. Seems weird. I climbed on runners exclusively for years, all ropes flattened. Mechanicals novelty wore out fast. A wrench is just so freakin smooth and I love rope on rope.

Oh, well, in MRS it's more difficult to pull oneself up on an oval rope, and for MRS (and I'd think SRT also) the climb line, does not tend through device as likely/easily, because the rope will bend more easily on the shorter cross section of the rope - very frustrating.
Easy tending, is a safety issue when one is in tight, crucial positions, way out on a limb.

 

[Lignotuber]

Bro just buy a new rope. It is cheap and wrench away. Thank me later.

I got it to work fine with the blue moon with a lil chalk for now. Considering going back to hitches though. Might try out the hitchhiker xf, looks pretty slick.

 

[islandarb]

Oh, well, in MRS it's more difficult to pull oneself up on an oval rope, and for MRS (and I'd think SRT also) the climb line, does not tend through device as likely/easily, because the rope will bend more easily on the shorter cross section of the rope - very frustrating.
Easy tending, is a safety issue when one is in tight, crucial positions, way out on a limb.

Been climbing a long time.....with mechanicals and hitches. Think you are overthinking this. No disrespect but this sounds silly. My OG runners flattened rope but it always relaxed back to original condition. So wrench would be no problem. Others must chime in here. I only climb SRS. Unless doing crane work which is not climbing. I have owned miles of rope and never seen what you are describing. You sure you did not run over the rope with a heavy roller?

 

[LBF]

Does nobody use Sterling Scion rope? So far I’ve been pretty happy with it and haven’t noticed any milking or flattening issues so far…

 

[Tony]

Been climbing a long time.....with mechanicals and hitches. Think you are overthinking this. No disrespect but this sounds silly. My OG runners flattened rope but it always relaxed back to original condition. So wrench would be no problem. Others must chime in here. I only climb SRS. Unless doing crane work which is not climbing. I have owned miles of rope and never seen what you are describing. You sure you did not run over the rope with a heavy roller?

I am with islandarb (swing) here. You can debate the merits of one rope over another for days. You can compare and contrast construction till your blue in the face.

At the end of the day, all the ropes we use, that are designed for tree work specifically offer pros and cons, but not to the minuscule level this conversation has gone.

A good climber makes the gear function for them and can climb well on any modern rope, any safe, industry accepted system.

In my experience, splitting hairs over rope construction and properties is often a subconscious justification for lack of skill through experience and practice.

Get a decent, rated rope that fits your mechanical or works well with your hitch, and climb. Then climb some more…

With respect,

Tony

 

[Reach]

I am with islandarb (swing) here. You can debate the merits of one rope over another for days. You can compare and contrast construction till your blue in the face.

At the end of the day, all the ropes we use, that are designed for tree work specifically offer pros and cons, but not to the minuscule level this conversation has gone.

A good climber makes the gear function for them and can climb well on any modern rope, any safe, industry accepted system.

In my experience, splitting hairs over rope construction and properties is often a subconscious justification for lack of skill through experience and practice.

Get a decent, rated rope that fits your mechanical or works well with your hitch, and climb. Then climb some more…

With respect,

Tony

Tony, thank you for your response. I always appreciate them, they are clearly well thought out and come from a base of great knowledge.

On a lighter note, I ran into one of your guys today near the Smoketown airport, and told him, jokingly, that I was going to tell on him because he was sitting in his truck. He had just stopped for a minute, he certainly wasn’t wasting any time, he said he had just been filling up with water. You do have a fleet of nice equipment, and the guy in that truck seemed to be quite professional. My compliments to you.

 

[Tony]

Tony, thank you for your response. I always appreciate them, they are clearly well thought out and come from a base of great knowledge.

On a lighter note, I ran into one of your guys today near the Smoketown airport, and told him, jokingly, that I was going to tell on him because he was sitting in his truck. He had just stopped for a minute, he certainly wasn’t wasting any time, he said he had just been filling up with water. You do have a fleet of nice equipment, and the guy in that truck seemed to be quite professional. My compliments to you.

Those PHC guys!

Thanks for the compliment. We take great pride in how we are perceived. Our clients spend hard earned money for our services. We owe it to them to be professional. We ask and train our team to do the highest quality work. They should have safe, clean hight quality equipment.

Reach out. We should have lunch.

Tony

 

[Reach]

Those PHC guys!

Thanks for the compliment. We take great pride in how we are perceived. Our clients spend hard earned money for our services. We owe it to them to be professional. We ask and train our team to do the highest quality work. They should have safe, clean hight quality equipment.

Reach out. We should have lunch.

Tony

You’re welcome, you’ve earned it. I agree with you on that, we strive for the same for sure.

I’ll definitely reach out, lunch sounds good. Thank you for the invitation!

 

[islandarb]

You’re welcome, you’ve earned it. I agree with you on that, we strive for the same for sure.

I’ll definitely reach out, lunch sounds good. Thank you for the invitation!

Up in here sounds real cosy.

 

[Burrapeg]

Does nobody use Sterling Scion rope? So far I’ve been pretty happy with it and haven’t noticed any milking or flattening issues so far…

I have some Scion. Works OK for me with both BDB and ZZ.

 

[Tony]

Up in here sounds real cosy.

You can come too. Bit of a commute…

Tony

 

[LBF]

I have some Scion. Works OK for me with both BDB and ZZ.

So far I’ve used it SRT with an Akimbo (mostly) and DRT with a hitch once or twice, but I now have a RRP to try on it. I thought the Scion had a better feel, less stretchy and bouncy than the one other rope I tried. Not by much, and it could have just been my perception at the time.

I’m still pretty new to this all so I certainly understand that everyone is going to have some sort of preference and all of the approved ropes being sold are going to be good for climbing. Some equipment may work better on some ropes over others. Some people have color preferences.

 

[Burrapeg]

For me, the height of the climb (length of rope) has a lot to do with how bouncy a rope feels. For a tall ascent, the Scion begins to feel far too bouncy and I have some Poison Ivy I like better. Both are a nice colour too!