Rigging point

[KevinS]

So I’ve been playing around with rigging point idea but either I can’t get my head around it or it just won’t work.

If you have a large limb with a bump or twig or deadwood etc it’d be enough to isolate a throw line but unreliable to hold a working moving rope or fs. So for climbing you can run up a mid tied butterfly and you have a good choker.

My thought is do the same but for a rigging point. You can tie a second butterfly a foot or two down from chocker and that’s ur rigging point with a pinto let’s say.

All this is easy nothing crazy except how do I get a line set to run and rig with with out it getting pinched.

All remotely

 

[Jehinten]

just to make sure I am following, is this what you are trying to accomplish, just remotely?
if so you will have to pre-install your rigging line in the pinto, and pull both ends of the rigging line up into the tree with the throwline and back down. Then feed both ends through the choking eye, then pull the rigging rope until it all cinches down. At least that's the way I envision it, although I don't know if that could ever be remote retrievable. Your rigging rope will also need to be 4 times the length of the height of your rigging point for installation

 

[Santiago Casanova]

just to make sure I am following, is this what you are trying to accomplish, just remotely?
View attachment 50829 if so you will have to pre-install your rigging line in the pinto, and pull both ends of the rigging line up into the tree with the throwline and back down. Then feed both ends through the choking eye, then pull the rigging rope until it all cinches down. At least that's the way I envision it, although I don't know if that could ever be remote retrievable. Your rigging rope will also need to be 4 times the length of the height of your rigging point for installation

If you had an accessory cord attached to the choking loop it could be retrieved from the ground. I use this when pulling down a spar. I attach an accessory cord to the steel ring I use to choke the stem. If I need my pulling rope back before I fell the spar I can get it by pulling on the accessory cord. I only needed it once but it saved me a trip back up the spar.

 

[KevinS]

just to make sure I am following, is this what you are trying to accomplish, just remotely?
View attachment 50829 if so you will have to pre-install your rigging line in the pinto, and pull both ends of the rigging line up into the tree with the throwline and back down. Then feed both ends through the choking eye, then pull the rigging rope until it all cinches down. At least that's the way I envision it, although I don't know if that could ever be remote retrievable. Your rigging rope will also need to be 4 times the length of the height of your rigging point for installation

This is good thanks. However I was looking to use a full rope to set a rigging point just like aerial choker like srt

 

[KevinS]

If it stops raining I’ll go out to a tree and set this up with a much better video this one is very rough

 

[KevinS]

Video errors I’ll try a better one later but this shows the top butterfly anchor (pretend there’s no crotch) and the gold biner is the rigging point and small white line is the rigging line.

This would be used where a girth hutch is needed but without the climb to set and retrieve

 

[theatertech87]

even if it is for an ART rope guide, it shows you how you can set a remote choking and remote retrieving friction saver (note I believe the double snapper is key to this working) but it should give you a starting point. Also take a look at the rig saver that treestuff sells. it offers a retrievable choked configuration as well

 

[KevinS]

If you had an accessory cord attached to the choking loop it could be retrieved from the ground. I use this when pulling down a spar. I attach an accessory cord to the steel ring I use to choke the stem. If I need my pulling rope back before I fell the spar I can get it by pulling on the accessory cord. I only needed it once but it saved me a trip back up the spar.

Retrieving the loop with a throw line or such will work in his picture but I find the tangled throw line to make the pita factor such a flaw I’d never use it that’s why I hoped an srt style anchor would do it one rope retrieves itself no matter the load

 

[KevinS]

even if it is for an ART rope guide, it shows you how you can set a remote choking and remote retrieving friction saver (note I believe the double snapper is key to this working) but it should give you a starting point. Also take a look at the rig saver that treestuff sells. it offers a retrievable choked configuration as well

That’s the ticket I think thanks

 

[Jehinten]

This is good thanks. However I was looking to use a full rope to set a rigging point just like aerial choker like srt

I think the same process would work, just use a butterfly on the black rope instead of a bowline or spliced eye. That would solve the retrievable issue as well

 

[theatertech87]

That’s the ticket I think thanks

My thoughts would be a custom spliced setup like this

 

[Z'sTrees]

This gem of a trick may be applicable if you are setting from the ground and dont have a ring and ring type rigging point

 

[KevinS]

My thoughts would be a custom spliced setup like this

Thanks for drawing that out

 

[theatertech87]

Thanks for drawing that out

There was no way I could put into words lol

 

[KevinS]

There was no way I could put into words lol

Haha the artist not the poet

 

[Treetopflyer]

I like sometimes setting a ring and ring from the ground installing the rigging line through, putting a floating ring on a dead eye sling or another ROPE on that rigging line then sending the rig line either over the same union, or another suitable one Where ever we need to move pieces to or split the difference usually in between anchor points and base tie that rig line off at ground. This requires 3 times the ROPE essentially.. maybe more at times when spanning out, but it's a worth while way to rig in my book.

 

[KevinS]

I like sometimes setting a ring and ring from the ground installing the rigging line through, putting a floating ring on a dead eye sling or another ROPE on that rigging line then sending the rig line either over the same union, or another suitable one Where ever we need to move pieces to or split the difference usually in between anchor points and base tie that rig line off at ground. This requires 3 times the ROPE essentially.. maybe more at times when spanning out, but it's a worth while way to rig in my book.

I love rigging with rr fs retrieving from the ground makes me feel accomplished lol. But sometimes there’s that big lateral with no unions but it’d make the best rigging point that’s where this came up

 

[Treetopflyer]

I love rigging with rr fs retrieving from the ground makes me feel accomplished lol. But sometimes there’s that big lateral with no unions but it’d make the best rigging point that’s where this came up

Ahh yes I sorta missed that main idea of the whole conversation there didn't I..lol

 

[Treetopflyer]

I love rigging with rr fs retrieving from the ground makes me feel accomplished lol. But sometimes there’s that big lateral with no unions but it’d make the best rigging point that’s where this came up

I guess you would have to pass the hardware around limb to have a retrievable choked anchor point. I'm pondering..Usefully I would tie the end of the line or bowline on bite and span rig to that point . Becuase I use a floating ring or block I don't always need one at The anchor point where you say In o. G post...

you can run up a mid tied butterfly and you have a good choker.

but remotely I still can't attach to limb to be removed this way unless I use a full length line instead of dead eye on floating block and go long-range..I'm sensing double running bows and bows on bites n shit..

 

[rope-a-dope]

Hope that is clear enough.
They give a bowline variation on the next page to tie in the anchor rope.