Positioner
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NickfromWI
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- Location
- Los Angeles, CA
Then your name must be Tom Dunlap!!!
So how do you guys like the positioner? This punk I know is letting me use his for a little while (after calling him a punk, I might have to give it back!). It's super smooth to advance, lightweight and I haven't had it slip yet.
The downsides, so far, are that I am not used to it yet. I have a little trouble letting out just a tiny bit of slack while it's weighted. Maybe that will improve with time. Sometimes when it's just hanging there, it will advance itself when a twig, my leg, or some bark grab a hold of the tail. Then when I go to throw the snaphook around the branch, it doesn't fit!
No major complaints. I like that it isn't heavy. It has potential to make it's way into my permanent line-up on my saddle.
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nick
So how do you guys like the positioner? This punk I know is letting me use his for a little while (after calling him a punk, I might have to give it back!). It's super smooth to advance, lightweight and I haven't had it slip yet.
The downsides, so far, are that I am not used to it yet. I have a little trouble letting out just a tiny bit of slack while it's weighted. Maybe that will improve with time. Sometimes when it's just hanging there, it will advance itself when a twig, my leg, or some bark grab a hold of the tail. Then when I go to throw the snaphook around the branch, it doesn't fit!
No major complaints. I like that it isn't heavy. It has potential to make it's way into my permanent line-up on my saddle.
love
nick
- Location
- Austin, TX
Why not contact Hubert or others until you find what you are looking for?
I have found that most everyone in the tree care industry is very accessible and helpful.
I have found that the really difficult answers and solutions usually aren't in a catalog, on-line, or readily available, you have to hunt for them. That is what makes us professionals. Any idiot can open a catalog and purchase a "system". Progessive people seek out their own solutions.
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I have found that most everyone in the tree care industry is very accessible and helpful.
I have found that the really difficult answers and solutions usually aren't in a catalog, on-line, or readily available, you have to hunt for them. That is what makes us professionals. Any idiot can open a catalog and purchase a "system". Progessive people seek out their own solutions.
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Tod nailed it right on, Fresco has the 11m clutches! They mey not be listed as a product online or in print, but call them, they do have them and would be happy to sell you one
brian, why dont you use your LJ anymore? just curious, mine only gets used once a month or so, sometimes less. its a nice tool but the VT works so well.
brian, why dont you use your LJ anymore? just curious, mine only gets used once a month or so, sometimes less. its a nice tool but the VT works so well.
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brian, why dont you use your LJ anymore? just curious, mine only gets used once a month or so, sometimes less. its a nice tool but the VT works so well.
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Exactly. My VT works better, weighs less and does not creep. With the LJ, I cannot trust it to grab all the time. If I pick my weight up off it and then lean back into it, the LJ does not keep it's grip and will allow me to slip. I am more efficient with the VT because I can trust it without any doubt.
The LJ is fun for rec climbing but I won't use it for work any more. I need something I can trust implicitly and the LJ ain't it. (If anybody wants to buy it, email me)
brian, why dont you use your LJ anymore? just curious, mine only gets used once a month or so, sometimes less. its a nice tool but the VT works so well.
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Exactly. My VT works better, weighs less and does not creep. With the LJ, I cannot trust it to grab all the time. If I pick my weight up off it and then lean back into it, the LJ does not keep it's grip and will allow me to slip. I am more efficient with the VT because I can trust it without any doubt.
The LJ is fun for rec climbing but I won't use it for work any more. I need something I can trust implicitly and the LJ ain't it. (If anybody wants to buy it, email me)
- Location
- Bloomington, Indiana
Nick wrote:
The downsides, so far, are that I am not used to it yet. I have a little trouble letting out just a tiny bit of slack while it's weighted. Maybe that will improve with time.
You are right, it just takes getting used to the feel of the P. and how much pressure it takes to make it feed out line. Try holding the ring of the P. and the rope of your lanyard to control the feed rate. I found that this helped me when I first started using the P.
Nick also wrote:
Sometimes when it's just hanging there, it will advance itself when a twig, my leg, or some bark grab a hold of the tail. Then when I go to throw the snaphook around the branch, it doesn't fit!
Is there a small elastic on the device or has it fallen off? The purpose of the elastic is much the same as the wire on the Microjuster. The elastic applies just a little bit of pressure on the cam to prevent what you have described. The 'self-adjustment' happens more with a new, slick, tight line such as Blue Streak than with an older, fuzzy line because the latter has a little more friction on the cam and will not slide as easily by itself. Other factors, such as the length of your lanyard, the type of snap/krab you are using and even the weather, will influence whether and how much your lanyard will slip as you move around in the tree.
NOTE This does NOT mean that the P. slips while under load. In my experience, slippage has occurred only when the lanyard is slack, there is no pressure on the cam and the weight of the rope itself (or some ssnag) pulls the rope through the P. I have used the P. for about eleven months and I feel it is the best lanyard adjuster available.
Mahk
The downsides, so far, are that I am not used to it yet. I have a little trouble letting out just a tiny bit of slack while it's weighted. Maybe that will improve with time.
You are right, it just takes getting used to the feel of the P. and how much pressure it takes to make it feed out line. Try holding the ring of the P. and the rope of your lanyard to control the feed rate. I found that this helped me when I first started using the P.
Nick also wrote:
Sometimes when it's just hanging there, it will advance itself when a twig, my leg, or some bark grab a hold of the tail. Then when I go to throw the snaphook around the branch, it doesn't fit!
Is there a small elastic on the device or has it fallen off? The purpose of the elastic is much the same as the wire on the Microjuster. The elastic applies just a little bit of pressure on the cam to prevent what you have described. The 'self-adjustment' happens more with a new, slick, tight line such as Blue Streak than with an older, fuzzy line because the latter has a little more friction on the cam and will not slide as easily by itself. Other factors, such as the length of your lanyard, the type of snap/krab you are using and even the weather, will influence whether and how much your lanyard will slip as you move around in the tree.
NOTE This does NOT mean that the P. slips while under load. In my experience, slippage has occurred only when the lanyard is slack, there is no pressure on the cam and the weight of the rope itself (or some ssnag) pulls the rope through the P. I have used the P. for about eleven months and I feel it is the best lanyard adjuster available.
Mahk
- Location
- Retired in Minneapolis
The clutches in my P are standard issue. I don't have a slippage issue either. Like all new things, try 'em low and slow. The lanyard rope is an 11mm that is pretty squishy. That might allow the cam to flatten the rope and grab better. I'm not advocating that everyone use 11mm rope, this just seesm to work for me.
The P is the most applicable use of the ART tools. The performance is hands above any other tool, rope or mechanical, that is available. The cost
erformance ratio is right too. The other ART tools have a higher costerformance ratio that many climbers don't feel is best for them.
The P is the most applicable use of the ART tools. The performance is hands above any other tool, rope or mechanical, that is available. The cost
erformance ratio is right too. The other ART tools have a higher costerformance ratio that many climbers don't feel is best for them.
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- Home of the New Jersey Devils
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I disagree on this one. I like the positioner for many reasons, but I truly feel that the Rope Guide is the "everyday" tool for me. Hubert is a genius for these inventions, but the RG is it for me.
The P is the most applicable use of the ART tools.
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I disagree on this one. I like the positioner for many reasons, but I truly feel that the Rope Guide is the "everyday" tool for me. Hubert is a genius for these inventions, but the RG is it for me.
- Location
- healdsburg, CA
Re: Positioner/ RG
Mark do you have a way to set the RG from the ground?
I too like the RG and feel personaly that the P & RG are the best applications of the LK concept. The rubber bands fell off my P and I never bothered to put the new ones on. It seems to work just fine.
Frans
Mark do you have a way to set the RG from the ground?
I too like the RG and feel personaly that the P & RG are the best applications of the LK concept. The rubber bands fell off my P and I never bothered to put the new ones on. It seems to work just fine.
Frans
- Location
- Hole,Norge
Re: Positioner/ RG
I do snarf took me while to work it out
and sometimes can be a pain to make it work.
I will try and explain...
you need two throw lines.
First throwline stick tricked through the main ring with a throw bag on.Put your second throwline through the pulley in a continuous loop pull the main ring up and over the branch and drop the bag back to you take the bag off and put on a small crab clip it on the loop round both of the lines in the loop and pull it up and through the ring this will pull the continous loop through the ring and bring it back to the ground pull on both lines in the loop and the pulley jumps through the ring open the loop and tie on your life line pull it up and through the pulley and you set only problem is you have to put the rope through the retreiver when you get up there.
hope you can picture it Its hard to explain....
I don't know if anyone else has come up with the same solution as me.
didj
I do snarf took me while to work it out
and sometimes can be a pain to make it work.
I will try and explain...
you need two throw lines.
First throwline stick tricked through the main ring with a throw bag on.Put your second throwline through the pulley in a continuous loop pull the main ring up and over the branch and drop the bag back to you take the bag off and put on a small crab clip it on the loop round both of the lines in the loop and pull it up and through the ring this will pull the continous loop through the ring and bring it back to the ground pull on both lines in the loop and the pulley jumps through the ring open the loop and tie on your life line pull it up and through the pulley and you set only problem is you have to put the rope through the retreiver when you get up there.
hope you can picture it Its hard to explain....
I don't know if anyone else has come up with the same solution as me.
didj
- Location
- Hole,Norge
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