Pool water damage to trees

Tom Dunlap

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I need solid information about any possible concerns about emptying swimming pool water onto the root zones of trees. The area that is being considered has a birm around it so the pool water would puddle and soak down into the root zone rather than run off in sheets.

There is literature that addresses chlorine gas damage. The concentrations of chlorine in pool water can be quite low. but are they low enough to not damage trees? Will the chlorine build up in the soil?
 
Most pools here are salt water so definately bad news for the tree roots and associates. I would expect that the chloramines in chlorine pools would be equally as bad.

Chlorinated water can kill bacteria and certainly impact many fungi, the levels in swimming pools are often way above those in drinking water. Long term the impact would be negative (how long is long term, and how big an impact? I'd say that depends on the chlorine concentrations).
 
I have delt with this problem in the past, with a pool being drained on to a mature Japanese Maple. the leaves wilted and burned at the tips. we Air Spaded out to the drip edge of the tree,(the thinking was that the air would volitize the clorine). incorporated compost and mulched the tree. Then we applied bio-stimulent several times through out the rest of the growing season.. The following year the tree leafed out and looked great
 
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Why not dechlorinate the water before you put it on the tree?

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I spend my swim time in real water, I know little about pools. How is the water dechlorinated? Is there a simple test, like litmus paper, to tell if its OK to use on the trees?
 
You should be able to determine the chlorine levels in the water through a simple test. If the water is left over from last summer, I would think the chlorine levels would be very low.
 
CA,

Thanks for that link. It explains a lot!

The pool is indoors and used regularly. Letting it sit idle isn't possible. I hope that I can show that draining the water onto the rootzone of the trees is not a safe way to get rid of the water.
 
On campus.

Someone from the city environmental department met with my supervisors and told them that draining the water across the ground would be OK. I'm skeptical and protective of the trees. The trees are 20-38" DBH live oaks that are probably 200-400 years old. Even flooding the area with plain old water would probably not be a good idea. Add some odd chemical soup to the mix and who knows how these ancient trees will react.
 
Sounds like a sanitary sewer is the appropriate place to dispose of that water, unless you want to cistern it, treat it to drinking water standards, and then meter it out gradually onto the landscape. Does your city have a reclaimed water system? If so, can they send a tank truck to slurp up the water for recycling?
 
Tom,

I used to hold an Ontario public pool operator's cert. They expire if you don't keep them up, just like an ISA cert, so my knowledge is more than a decade old, but I ran a municipal pool, 1/2 Olympic size and a dive tank for several years.

Can't know if this would be the same with your campus pool, but we were required by industry standards to log our water quality readings every 2 hours during operating hours. We had a standard test kit that gave us pH, available chlorine, chloramine (or chlorine that has attached and done it's job) add the two together for total chlorination level.

We also had to log all the other chemicals we added for various reasons. Calcium cloride to raise water hardness so the soft water we received from municipal supply would not eat the grout out of the tiles, Potassium Aluminium Sulphate to aid in particulate precipitation, Muriatic Acid to buffer the pH, various surfactant soaps used to scrub the "scum line", on and on. On demand, if someone had an oopsie in the pool, vomit, poop, blood, whatever, we would shut down, and superchlorinate, up to 20ppm, ten times normal, then partially drain and refill back to the normal 2ppm. Asking your pool operator for a peek at their logs is a good place to start.

All this changes if your pool runs oxygenated Bromine instead of Chlorine. It changes again if your pool uses sand filters as opposed to Diatomatious Earth screens.

Generally speaking, pools run as a closely monitored closed system until it is time to backwash the filters. In backwashing, you shut down the pumps, reverse the valves, restart the pumps and push the days accumulated goo into the sewer. Depending on head count, this can happen nightly. Then, once a year, the pool is emptied for complete cleaning and maintainance of the interior surface and decking. The heat exchangers usually get a good flush at this time, similar to getting your cars coolant system flushed, the effluent from this procedure is contained and disposed of seperately, but trace contaminants remain.

Would I water my garden, nightly, with pool backwash? Good God No, I'd rather you pee on my peonias, assuming you have a functioning liver and gall bladder.

Could an annual pool dump be directed to irrigation? Far less contaminants than a backwash, pretty safe at 2ppm available chlorine, but it's a huge amount of water regardless of quality all at once.


If they are talking a nightly backwash, I'd take the City enviro guy for a walk under those trees and ask him if he'd ask them to drink backwash if they were next to his house.

Northwind.
 
Tom,

Forgot to ask:

Why wouldn't washed-off make-up, hair gel, snot, saliva, sloughed skin, sputum, pubic hair, bits of fecal matter go into the sewer?

We became a civilized species, in part, when we decided this crap goes down a hole, and gets sanitized.

Grey water recovery is going to be big in the future, especially down in the hot dry climates, but pretending that public pool effluent has a known or even consistant level of constituants is a massive guess at best.

Northwind
 
Northwind,

Thanks for your insights. This is deeper than what I was looking for but very informative. I agree, caution with what goes out of the pool and onto the trees.
 
Thanks X,

Tom hasn't yet intimated why anyone is even thinking this water should go on his trees, but I'm thinking that it is symptomatic of a current thoughtless rush to greenism.

Right now, where I live, kitchen waste is soon to be prohibited from the waste stream to the landfill.

Everyone is supposed to start their own compost pile. Sounds all green and fuzzy, but for the love of peat, wasn't it an observation of multiple household waste piles, attracting rodents, their attendant fleas and Plague that caused us to collect and bury trash in one place to start with?

It is all well and good for us to revisit urban management with an eye to budgets and managing diminishing resources, but to end up reversing the decisions and policies that have made us more whole and healthy, it is just folly.

I'm sorry for the derail, I've just had it to here with short-thinkers who see a quick gain, financial or political, with no thought to next week, decade or century.

Northwind
 
I don't know for sure where this idea originated. My awareness came from hearing talk floating over the walls of my cubicle. Since this idea may effect the trees I've taken the initiative to investigate the consequences. My suspicions are the same as Northwinds.
 
Hey Tom, arborist Bill Bolt recently consulted on a case where 2 young lindens died after a neighbors pool dump......2YOUNG LINDENS !!! They were probably 100 percent symplast and a known flood tolerant species. Conversely your oaks are probably 5- 10 percent symplast and not flood tolerant. IMHO dump the water somewhere else. How much does water cost compared to 200 yr Oaks! (granted water is plentiful here and maybe not so much there)
 

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