Oxman's new years eve

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Oxman\'s new years eve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhDW7kgsJYI&feature=youtu.be

This vid was posted by Michael on a seriously derailed thread called "ropin album" in General discussion..

I've seen some very good climbers make the same cut he starts a cut at 3:45, which finishes at 5:00.. standing in the hooks, on the spar, notch and backcut, then standing behind the piece reach up with the left hand to push, while finishing the back cut, one handed..

IMO this is a needlessly dangerous move, and a bad habit.. its easy enough to complete the backcut, shut the saw off, then push with both hands if needed.. especially on a straight spar..
I almost never cut and chunk, and mostly work from the bucket these days... I'll try to get some video up at some point, but it may be a while... Just wondering what you thought. One concern is that its a bad habit to one hand with the saw in the same plane and so close to your body, which could be a problem on a crane job for example, as the piece rocks back on the chain and causes the saw to kick back.. Seems like the bigger stronger climbers like to one hand the 200t. I've seen some big strong climbers one hand a saw from positions that made me cringe..
 
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I was totally suprised to see how his hand just passes his running saw to feel the hinge.....crazy action.

Second was a bit later when he almost put his nose right on the chain to see what's going on and the saw never stopped running there....crazy action again.

One handing the saw wasn't needed as Daniel well explained just above.
He could have easily done it in a couple of other ways without having to saw and push at the same time, but hey he might even learn some stuff by letting other climbers watch and comment ;-)

Nice vid and nice pics, bit of a sloppy climbing and rigging but not bad at all :-)

climb safe
wouter
 
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I think this was a good idea to break this into a new thread targeting a single point.

I also agree there was no need to do it thiis way even if you wanted to do it by cutting and pushing it could have been finished with a hand saw as he did with a previous cut,
 
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To me the main lesson here is to develop good fundamentals in making a proper notch and back cut.. Michael clearly has not done that, which is surprising, given his many years of west coast experience.. This is the most fundamental skill an arborist can have and it is amazing how few (at least around here) have it.
 
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That sure didn't look good, but still seems like he had that under control.. There is a difference between a highly experienced pro reaching like that and a rookie, waving the saw over his head like a flag.

He probably could have made the entire cut with his handsaw, or gotten a little higher or rigged it differently so as to avoid that move.. He had options, which he chose not to take. It sets a bad example. IMO he should not have put the on the video.. and if he let that slide, you gotta wonder how bad the cut was that he edited out..

There is no defending the 2:45 cut, so its not up for debate as much as the cut at 3:45... I've seen some great climbers use that same technique A LOT! Its surprising there is so little response to this subject.

Its got me thinking about a better cut that I'll try from the bucket..
 
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Theres so little response, as theres not much to say. Its just plain crappy technique and completely beat. I have "only" 4 years climbing experience, and that looks downright stupid, I dont see how theres really any defense.

I'll snap cut wood all day and never take 2 hands off the saw. And I'm "just a noob".

And the peel cuts? Makes me think of all the peeled off stubs I've seen homeowners make with their extendable gas powered polesaw, any idiot could do it.
 
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Agreed Jeff...You dont see much discussion because it's just bad...It's kind of like showing someone ascend with just a lanyard and disconnecting it to advance above a limb while not being tied in...You just should'nt do it...
 
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Sure Jef,
snap cuts work fine and allow safely use of 2 hands etc.. However you shouldn't be so quick to condemn the rip cuts.. They are very effective and useful when applied properly.. The more you use them, the more you'll like them..

If you are such a noob, you might want to back of with the judgments, and try to learn something. Idiot is a strong word, which probably applies to a noob, more so than Oxman in this case.
 
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there is almost no need to ever one hand a chainsaw, and in watching this video i saw absolutely no need for it. that simple removal looked like a horror movie to me. work postioning is the answer to the arguement of one handing a saw. we have a dangerous enough job the last thing we need to do is add more unnecessary danger....climb safe everyone.
 
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there is almost no need to ever one hand a chainsaw, and in watching this video i saw absolutely no need for it. that simple removal looked like a horror movie to me. work postioning is the answer to the arguement of one handing a saw. we have a dangerous enough job the last thing we need to do is add more unnecessary danger....climb safe everyone.

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Well said, that was some scary stuff to watch for sure! Very improper positioning, one instance of kickback, his head or chest would of been eating the 200T! Sloppy indeed!
 
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My fingernail is still deformed, probably always will be!

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you got a lot of mouth for only climbing 4 years.. You criticize like you have a clue, when you should be asking questions and paying attention.. If you think Ox's rip cuts are in any way improper, you have something to learn.. And you're not too bright if you think there is any comparison between your cutting chunks off a straight spar and Ox's rip cuts on limbs.. Not making an undercut on those limbs has nothing to do with saving a few seconds..

So stop whining about your poor pinkie and wake up to the fact that you have a lot to learn!
 
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Could you please make an instructional video on the value of one handed saw use, lack of body positioning and rip cuts? I obviously don't understand. Thank you in advance.
 
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My fingernail is still deformed, probably always will be!

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you got a lot of mouth for only climbing 4 years.. You criticize like you have a clue, when you should be asking questions and paying attention.. If you think Ox's rip cuts are in any way improper, you have something to learn.. And you're not too bright if you think there is any comparison between your cutting chunks off a straight spar and Ox's rip cuts on limbs.. Not making an undercut on those limbs has nothing to do with saving a few seconds..

So stop whining about your poor pinkie and wake up to the fact that you have a lot to learn!

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If anyone out there wonders why I give Dadio a hard time, this thread, and specifically this post, is "exhibit A".

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Could you please make an instructional video on the value of one handed saw use, lack of body positioning and rip cuts? I obviously don't understand.

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Obviously not... you said any idiot can make a peel cut.. now you are putting rip cuts in the same category as one handing and poor positioning. It takes experience to know when a rip cut is the best cut for a given situation. Ox has that experience.. you don't.. and then you go refer to him as an idiot for making it..

While easy is throwing out examples.. this is a perfect example of the type of criticism of my vids by Jeff, and many others like him, who have limited experience and go off like they have a clue at work that is beyond their level of experience. Jeff would be better off learning to keep his mouth shut, and asking questions, rather than condenming such work.
 
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