Overuse Injuries

[Bart_]

For a while in the initial minutes of a climb the saddle back would "chiropractor" click something in my lower back into place and I could feel relief.

I find handling heavier weights leads to soreness. Lower weight repetitions not as much. Smaller steps rope walking seems to reduce knee strain.

You may have age related work limit syndrome : )

 

[SeanRuel]

I did the somatics routine Merle suggested and it saved my shoulder one winter- from fully immobile to back to work in about a month.

Mark Pzr from way back buzz had a helpful thing about your "power zone". IIRC, a cube from waist to shoulder is where one is strongest and you should try to exert yourself from that area

I don't climb very much anymore but I love inverting in the saddle after testing my tie in, so satisfying!

Also @Scott McPhee and Ed Carpenter talk about arborist being "industrial athletes". I wonder if either of them would do a consult on the subject?

 

[Willber]

Please provide sources before suggesting this to the masses. Also: regularly acid bathing your teeth to reduce acid degradation?

Anything anyone here says is a "suggestion to the masses", eh. The outcome of limes juice being metabolized, having an alkalizing effect, is old common knowledge. There's plenty of sources, for backing up what was posted, readily available online. I just know I have experienced stronger nails and better muscle feel, consuming citric acid.
I've found that even eating a mostly vegetable, vegetarian diet, does not have the alkalizing effect, as consuming at least 1 lime a day in 16oz of water.

I said I have recently being taking citric acid capsules to reduce the amount of lime water I consume, therefore reducing the acid degradation of the teeth. I found molars are where the acid stays the longest, causing noticeable erosion.

I avoid wearing boots as often as I can. I rarely wear them, haven't in about a year.
I recently found those wide Buckingham boot straps for the gaffs, can be pretty comfortable with only wearing, below the ankle shoes. The strap is wide enough, to not injure the Achilles tendon.

Yes, I've heard a lot of inflammation, even of cartilage, can be reduced, by consuming things that attribute to a more alkaline blood.

Also, I think wearing anything tight around the waist is not good for full body circulation, I don't wear a belt.
It is best to not wear anything on the "waist" where the hip is, but above the hip, on the gut or stomach. With light elastic pressure or suspended from shoulders.

Another thing to consider is high vitamin C intake, not regimented but cyclic. Take about 3000mg ever other day or every 3 days. I've noticed it makes my muscles fatigue less and heal quicker.
They say tigers create their own vitamin C, having about 4000mg in their body at all times.

Salt... there is a stigma about salt consumption. Sodium chloride is a necessary compound for efficient digestion of food in the stomach. It is also needed for various water control uses. I say if you crave it you need it.
But, only use rock salt or pink Himalayan salt, the trace minerals in unprocessed rock salt are tremendously necessary for proper use of the sodium chloride, akin to the trace minerals in unprocessed cane sugar, that make it a food, rather than the near poison, of pure white sugar.

Consuming processed salt, that is only sodium chloride and iodine, is the only "salt" that should be stigmatized.

 

[Steve Connally]

I'm feeling this post as well. I've been battling this hand thing since I've gone back to climbing. General inflammation follows diet for me mostly so I try to counter that with obviously not eating what affects me negatively. I also make sure I do plenty of home fermented dietary goodies. I have some fermented kraut with plenty of turmeric rhizome in it as well as ginger. I also do Beet kvass, kefir and kombucha. When that doesn't work I go with Cell Salts. I've just started molecular hydrogen water with a pinch of sea salt in the morning. We'll see if that has any noticeable effect. If all else fails I slather on the Arnica. LOL. Hope you find your solution. Plenty of advice on here to choose from. Nothing prepares us for aging!!

 

[Serf Life]

Anything anyone here says is a "suggestion to the masses", eh. The outcome of limes juice being metabolized, having an alkalizing effect, is old common knowledge. There's plenty of sources, for backing up what was posted, readily available online. I just know I have experienced stronger nails and better muscle feel, consuming citric acid.
I've found that even eating a mostly vegetable, vegetarian diet, does not have the alkalizing effect, as consuming at least 1 lime a day in 16oz of water.

I said I have recently being taking citric acid capsules to reduce the amount of lime water I consume, therefore reducing the acid degradation of the teeth. I found molars are where the acid stays the longest, causing noticeable erosion.

Ample research showing acids, including citric, degrade enamel. Found one that you may prefer as it includes benefits of citric and coaches moderation. https://grovedentalclinic.com/debunking-the-myths-is-citric-acid-bad-for-you/
As to the rest:

The alkaline diet: What you need to know

Maybe you’ve heard that following an alkaline diet can treat or prevent diseases such as cancer or help you lose weight. But are those claims fact, fiction or somewhere in between? Dietitian Maria Petzel weighs in.

www.mdanderson.org

Alkaline diet: Claims, facts, and foods

Some people claim that the alkaline diet helps with weight loss and disease, but there are few studies to back up these claims. Learn more about the alkaline diet, as well as foods to eat on it, here.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Which reference articles but give the layman outlines: the diet can definitely be good, the reasoning is flawed.
So yes, easily checked online and all posts are suggestions. Putting the onus of backing up a claim onto the audience is a red flag for a good reason, eh.

 

[Willber]

@Serf Life I don't know why you mentioned the acid degradation again, in the first post I mentioned the downside of drinking citrus liquids, hence I mentioned, offsetting it, with the consumption of capsules.

According to the MD Anderson article, "Though we don’t know exactly how diet prevents cancer or promotes health, it is likely related to a diet rich in antioxidants and other phytochemicals providing protection from cell damage and reducing inflammation." "Proponents of the alkaline diet theorize that if you eat a diet high in alkaline foods, or those with a high pH, you can raise the body’s pH levels and therefore make your body a poor environment for cancer. However, the reality is that the acidic environment around these tumors is created by the tumor, not because of it. It is unknown if this acidic environment is of any help to the tumor or simply a waste product."
Yet, an acidic environment, is pretty well known to cause or be conducive to inflammation.

Both articles state that a healthy blood PH is around 7.4 "Normal blood pH is 7.35-7.45. In the rare occasion that somebody’s blood pH is outside of that normal range, it's typically associated with severe illness and is life-threatening."
"As the body digests food and processes medications, different elements that are more acidic or alkaline are released into the blood. In response, the lungs and kidneys rapidly filter our blood to take out these extra acid or alkaline components."

Medical News Today "The high-protein aspect of the diet (High Protein - Military Diet) will make urine more acidic. As a result, it may not be suitable for someone experiencing kidney disease or gout."

It seems the likelihood of urine been acidic is more common, as if the body has to work harder to maintain an alkaline blood. It seems a diet that offers the more alkaline options, the body has to work less to maintain a healthy blood PH.

Interesting about the pancreas being a very alkaline. Makes one wonder if that's why pancreatic cancer it is such a quick killer. Maybe the cancer that infects the pancreas is very resistant to an alkaline environment.
Maybe it's an entirely different type of cancer, than the cancer that effects other parts of the body.

 

[Serf Life]

My mistake on the tablets, got the picture now thx, my eyes are a few steps ahead of brain some days.

 

[Serf Life]

Alkalizing the Body?

The human body carefully maintains the pH of blood at about 7.35, which is slightly alkaline, or basic. This is also the pH of the cells in all our organs that depend on the blood supply for their nourishment. Should the pH drop below 7 or exceed 7.7 we are looking at a potentially catastrophic...

www.mcgill.ca

 

[evo]

@Serf Life I don't know why you mentioned the acid degradation again, in the first post I mentioned the downside of drinking citrus liquids, hence I mentioned, offsetting it, with the consumption of capsules.

According to the MD Anderson article, "Though we don’t know exactly how diet prevents cancer or promotes health, it is likely related to a diet rich in antioxidants and other phytochemicals providing protection from cell damage and reducing inflammation." "Proponents of the alkaline diet theorize that if you eat a diet high in alkaline foods, or those with a high pH, you can raise the body’s pH levels and therefore make your body a poor environment for cancer. However, the reality is that the acidic environment around these tumors is created by the tumor, not because of it. It is unknown if this acidic environment is of any help to the tumor or simply a waste product."
Yet, an acidic environment, is pretty well known to cause or be conducive to inflammation.

Both articles state that a healthy blood PH is around 7.4 "Normal blood pH is 7.35-7.45. In the rare occasion that somebody’s blood pH is outside of that normal range, it's typically associated with severe illness and is life-threatening."
"As the body digests food and processes medications, different elements that are more acidic or alkaline are released into the blood. In response, the lungs and kidneys rapidly filter our blood to take out these extra acid or alkaline components."

Medical News Today "The high-protein aspect of the diet (High Protein - Military Diet) will make urine more acidic. As a result, it may not be suitable for someone experiencing kidney disease or gout."

It seems the likelihood of urine been acidic is more common, as if the body has to work harder to maintain an alkaline blood. It seems a diet that offers the more alkaline options, the body has to work less to maintain a healthy blood PH.

Interesting about the pancreas being a very alkaline. Makes one wonder if that's why pancreatic cancer it is such a quick killer. Maybe the cancer that infects the pancreas is very resistant to an alkaline environment.
Maybe it's an entirely different type of cancer, than the cancer that effects other parts of the body.

Smoking from the same pipe as Kennedy

 

[96coal449]

My body seems to be "breaking down" progressively over the past 1 and a half yrs.
Mostly severe injuries from 32yrs prior collecting their toll. My body says no while my mind screams go.
The pain flares up when I push myself, as a stiff slap in the face to the mind.

I do realize diet and nutrition play an amazing part in ones longevity. Good water, and lots of it are also a major factor. All of these I lack in. I do watch and avoid the bad elements that are available for consumption.

One saving grace is a nice hot Epson salt bath. There's one I favor with ginger. Seems to really help. Ginger is good for leaching accumulating toxins.

 

[cory]

Regarding knee pain mentioned earlier, check out Knees Over Toes on IG or YT. Deals with knees, ankles, hips and backs. I've had a bad L knee for decades, it brought it from 30% health to approximately 80%.

100% is the ideal but I'll take 80% any day over what it was.

 

[Willber]

Smoking from the same pipe as Kennedy

Seemingly the pipe of "common sense" and logic. Maybe you should try it.

 

[evo]

Seemingly the pipe of "common sense" and logic. Maybe you should try it.

Can you explain how taking an acid makes your blood less acidic?

 

[Serf Life]

Once metabolized, limes and lemons have alkaline byproducts and can produce more basic urine which I'd guess is the persistent "it makes sense" reasoning. Not a fan of healthline but google like it. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/lemon-juice-acidic-or-alkaline#TOC_TITLE_HDR_4 For some people, like evo mentioned, belief keeps studies at bay. I don't get it but it's prevalent.

 

[Steve Connally]

Seemingly the pipe of "common sense" and logic. Maybe you should try it.

Was just reading and article this morning about alkalinity and breast cancer and was surprised to learn that lemons are considered alkaline food. I have read plenty about the acid alkaline balance and the hypothesized effects on cancer metabolism and the processing and storage of toxins in the body. Great stuff if you have the time to dig in pretty deep to get past the initial gut level "thats stupid" that most people seem to immediately jump to. Thanks for continuing to explain your position without comments using the popularl logical fallacies.

 

[evo]

interesting. I wonder if it’s a type of whip lash in the body trying to maintain a balanced ph with the introduction of a strong acid.
I was wrong, and a ass

 

[southsoundtree]

My knees have been giving me issues, so I worked out that dragging heavy loads of brash to the chipper is the cause.

So I don’t do that anymore.

I never found any aspect of climbing gave any issues.
It’s always been ground work that gives me problems.

Do you drag while walking backwards?

 

[Steve Connally]

interesting. I wonder if it’s a type of whip lash in the body trying to maintain a balanced ph with the introduction of a strong acid.
I was wrong, and a ass

I don't completely have grasp on it yet but it's similar to heart burn or indigestion. Antiacids make it worse. Acids make it better. For instance a shot of all natural apple cider vinegar helps. In that instance I think it assists int the acid receptors getting an all full message and shutting off the production of the acid. I understand it but not well enough to explain it....yet

 

[evo]

I don't completely have grasp on it yet but it's similar to heart burn or indigestion. Antiacids make it worse. Acids make it better. For instance a shot of all natural apple cider vinegar helps. In that instance I think it assists int the acid receptors getting an all full message and shutting off the production of the acid. I understand it but not well enough to explain it....yet

That makes sense. Like many things introduced in the body, the body tries to balance it out so natural production matches the intake.
The little I know is internal PH is a very narrow margin of ‘healthy’ the body must regulate it. If something is outta whack with ph trying to balance it externally is just treating symptoms and not cause.

 

[Steve Connally]

I'd agree with that but if the cause IS external then the internal is the reaction to the external cause. It seems to me, much of what we find internally thats irregular can be inked to an external cause. It's funny that we see this in the ancient beings we care for but when it comes to the human body we think it's just a malfunction of our body to cause the issue. Or, what I believe, is we are taught to look at it that way. I have my own beliefs on health and wellness and they aren't the common narrative. I look back on my decades as a paramedic and have lots of questions about what I was doing and why. Thats a a derail but it's interesting how the human body will also regulate PH with breathing rate and quality. We are an amazing organisms built to regulate and bring things into homeostasis. If we'd just make the environment(terrain) of our self a good setting to do that. Sometimes treating PH helps to bring the enviournment into a place where it can do its thing and heal. IF.....food is medicine then aren't we externally treating the internal? Garlic as an antioxidant, turmeric as an anti-inflammatory, grass fed dairy as a source of k++, B, A, D, and other vitas and minerals. If you can take the edge of the chronic inflammation then the immune system can do its thing for the acute situation and then battle and regulate the chronic. It's a great subject. I've been deep into it for a few years now and am in a great place with health for a 55 year old. We are amazing organisms and this is a great thread.