New guy to Rope Runner: question about bottom slic-pin

I believe the milled Original Quickie Fits!! I do not have any of the cast versions so i can't compare!
Fits my Blue and Green RR's. And we all know the Notch versions are NOT rated the same as the Originals!!! That may be why the pins are different sizes. Perhaps they had to beef up the pin on the cast version to get it rated!
 

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Ah, that makes a lot of sense, if that ends up being the reason behind the dimensional change.

But, in any case, and thank goodness, it tends like pure 100% unsalted butter, when using the washer as the tending point.
 
I have both a Notch and milled Singing Tree Quickie. The Notch version which is a bit less refined and rounded around the edges, but I'm sold on the lower priced Notch Quickie. Both slic pins work the same on either version of the Quickie and the pins are completely interchangeable.

The Rope Runner's slic pin is much shorter than the Quickie's slic pin. The spring loaded catch point locations are different. The Rope Runner's slic pin can't be used on a Quickie, unless the Quickie was upgraded to accommodate and hold the shorter pin. Alternatively, the Quickie's slic pin can fit into a Rope Runner, but it's prone to sliding back and forth because the spring catches are not properly fitted. The Quickie pin also protrudes excessively when used on the Runner, especially compared to the Runner's pins fitting perfectly for said task.
 
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John@TreeXP said:
I have both a Notch and Singing Tree Quickie. The Notch version which is a bit less refined and rounded around the edges, but considering the price, I'm totally sold on the lower priced Notch Quickie. Both slic pins work the same on either version of the Quickie and the pins are completely interchangeable.

The Rope Runner's slic pin is much shorter than the Quickie's slic pin. The spring loaded catch point locations are different. The Rope Runner's slic pin can not be used on a Quickie, unless the Quickie was resized accommodate and hold the shorter pin. Alternatively, the Quickie's slic pin can fit into a Rope Runner, but it's prone to sliding back and forth because the spring catches are not properly fitted. The Quickie pin also protrudes excessively when used on the Runner, especially compared to the Runner's pins fitting perfectly for said task.
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I think the intent would be to use the entire Quickie itself in the Rope Runner, not just the slic pin from the Quickie, since - as you pointed out - the pin in the Quickie is way too long.

I'm with you on the price of the Notch version!
 
LordFarkwad said:
I think the intent would be to use the entire Quickie itself in the Rope Runner, not just the slic pin from the Quickie, since - as you pointed out - the pin in the Quickie is way too long.

I'm with you on the price of the Notch version!
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I would consider that, but the convenience of using an oval carabiner to connect and remove the Runner from my bridge's swivel is a whole lot less labor intensive, compared to using the Quickie.
 
John@TreeXP said:
I would consider that, but the convenience of using an oval carabiner to connect and remove the Runner from my bridge's swivel is a whole lot less labor intensive, compared to using the Quickie.
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Haha naw naw, I meant keeping the oval biner where you have it and adding the Quickie as a tending point only!
 
LordFarkwad said:
Haha naw naw, I meant keeping the oval biner where you have it and adding the Quickie as a tending point only!
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Given the excess weight of Quickie, Id rather go with just the Runner's slic pin. That said, I like the idea of somehow improving or modifying the stock tending point, without any excess hardware. I must admit, I just got a new Orange/Black Runner so I don't yet have a lot of time on it.
 
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Given the excess weight of Quickie, Id rather go with just the Runner's slic pin. That said, I like the idea of somehow improving or modifying the stock tending point, without any excess hardware. I must admit, I just got a my new Orange/Black Runner so I don't yet have a lot of time on it.
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The quickie is a bit heavy but it tends really well. I have tried a number of different ways to tend the runner and this has been the best and easiest I have used! Other than letting it ride above the chest roller!
 
@39Buick; Are you able to safely lean back with your weight pulling on the Quickie tending point, or would that cause the Rope Runner to collapse, somehow?

I bought a later version of the milled Quickie, and it also turned out to be incompatible with the holes on the Rope Runner, with a diameter larger than the holes in the Rope Runner. I think they changed the diameter of the SLIC pins on the newer Quikies from what it was in the original milled version of the Quickie. It almost seems as though it was done on purpose, to prevent folks from using the Quickie as a tending point on the Rope Runner. I hope I'm wrong about this. If I'm wrong, there is still hope for the future that TreeStuff will produce a version that is once again compatible. I'd love to hear from a TreeStuff rep on this score.

Tim
 
Since when did the Runner's tending point even become an issue? Seems to tend so smoothly already that any further modifications would be extraneous, with little if any significant improvement. Maybe it depends on the climber, their rope, etc., but it's seems OK even though I don't particularly like the fishing swivel set up. One idea would be to simply use throw line to support a dual attachment point for a better balanced tending system.
 
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Since when did the Runner's tending point even become an issue? Seems to tend so smoothly already that any further modifications would be extraneous, with little if any significant improvement. Maybe it depends on the climber, their rope, etc., but it's seems OK enough as-is.
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To be honest, this is also my assessment based on my 'hours' of experience so far, but I'm super late to the party on all this too. Meaning, that perhaps me having the latest and greatest version of the Runner, I'm inheriting the benefit of years' worth of revision and customer feedback.

The thing tends like simply pulling a pulley along a rope - it don't get much better than that.

I'm 190lbs fresh out of the tub, and on Vortex, I have zero trouble breaking the bird free even after a hard stop. I can lightly feather it to accelerate into my preferred descent rate, no jerkiness whatsoever.

Holy crap.
 
TimBr said:
@39Buick; Are you able to safely lean back with your weight pulling on the Quickie tending point, or would that cause the Rope Runner to collapse, somehow?

I bought a later version of the milled Quickie, and it also turned out to be incompatible with the holes on the Rope Runner, with a diameter larger than the holes in the Rope Runner. I think they changed the diameter of the SLIC pins on the newer Quikies from what it was in the original milled version of the Quickie. It almost seems as though it was done on purpose, to prevent folks from using the Quickie as a tending point on the Rope Runner. I hope I'm wrong about this. If I'm wrong, there is still hope for the future that TreeStuff will produce a version that is once again compatible. I'd love to hear from a TreeStuff rep on this score.

Tim
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Honestly have not put my weight onto the tending point. I use a bungee necklace and clip onto the quickie. When I get to my tip it comes off.
Most of the time I use a chest roller and the runner sits right on top of it. I will have to play with it and see if I can get the runner to collapse with some weight on it.
I’m curious now as to how many versions of the quickie were produced.
John@TreeXP said:
Since when did the Runner's tending point even become an issue? Seems to tend so smoothly already that any further modifications would be extraneous, with little if any significant improvement. Maybe it depends on the climber, their rope, etc., but it's seems OK even though I don't particularly like the fishing swivel set up. One idea would be to simply use throw line to support a dual attachment point for a better balanced tending system.
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Tending it is not to much of a problem. Attaching to that tiny little washer thingy is a pain in the butt! I home brewed a few different devices to make it easier and when I tried the quickie I tossed all those other deals in the scrap pile. I also find tending with something centered on the spine of the runner makes it glide up the rope!
 
LordFarkwad said:
How so, specifically? I'm interested in why people DON'T use that as the tending point. I literally cannot conceive of it getting any better.
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When I first started using the Runner I had nothing in my gear bag that would fit the little hole. It wasn’t until I got my hook that I discovered the little DMM XSRE carabiner that would fit nicely. At that point I was already using the quickie.
Also it seemed to drag on the rope more tending from one side. Using a neck lanyard made that much more noticeable. So for me and my climbing style it became even more comfortable.
I am in no way being negative about the Rope Runner because in my opinion and relatively short climbing career it’s the best device on the market.
 
Gatcha, gatcha. Makes sense.

The HH2 is my only other SRT device, but the only gripe with it - which is something that I will felt admit can be drilled to down to being MY problem as opposed to one with the device itself - is that it doesn't tend as easily as the RR. I can live with it pretty well after a few ascents and descents, when the hitch loosens up. But that first several are savage to the shoulder meat my tending strap routes over.

I have the hitch tied that tight because when I'd just started really climbing higher (months ago), I had tied a Distel above the HH and one of the first times up with it, it wouldn't engage without manually helping it (pushing the hitch upwards). This scared the CRAP outta me, and lead me back to the original HH hitch (a VT without any braids, which I also tie very tightly), which has never failed to engage, the way I tie it at least, the way recommended in the instructions.

After using it for a few minutes, it tends great, but it has not matched, much less beat, the RR in terms of ease-of-tending.

Didn't want this to be construed as detracting anything from the merits of the HH2. I have so little experience as to base this on, that it makes me almost ashamed to say it, but I'm very happy with both devices so far.
 
39Buick said:
I believe the milled Original Quickie Fits!! I do not have any of the cast versions so i can't compare!
Fits my Blue and Green RR's. And we all know the Notch versions are NOT rated the same as the Originals!!! That may be why the pins are different sizes. Perhaps they had to beef up the pin on the cast version to get it rated!
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I don't own any of the v3 notch quickies but I've never heard that these new notch quickies aren't 30kn/15kn?
 
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