New Climber Seeking advice (Video inside!)

Nice video Stephen, looks a lot smoother, even for the first time SRTing.
One suggestion, at the end when you were going to descend the pine tree, if you had something smaller like a screw link, you could have made a friction saver from one of your slings and a carabiner. No need to sapify your rope.
The more experience you get the easier it will become.
 
Just had a chance to sit down and watch through the first video. Most of what needs to be said already has, but I noticed a tidbit at 28:00 worth mentioning.

When snap cutting any branch off, if you do your undercut first and then your top cut farther out on the branch (meaning out PAST your undercut), there is a chance that the branch will split behind where your saw finishes the cut. This will leave wood intact around your bar, which can grab it and pull the saw down with it.

Similarly, as in the case in the video at 28:00 (plus about 3 seconds), your saw was stuck for a split second, and felt "carried off" with the chunk. Do your front "face" cut, and then put your back cut (ONLY on snap cuts) lower (or behind, if on a branch rather than the spar) than your front/under cut. This way, no matter where the "holding wood" splits, your bar is outside, and can't be hauled off.

If you cut an actual face notch, this rule doesn't apply because there's a hinge of bending wood rather than a split in the fibers, so your back cut should be a touch above the notch, rather than below/behind as with the snap.
 
Just had a chance to sit down and watch through the first video. Most of what needs to be said already has, but I noticed a tidbit at 28:00 worth mentioning.

When snap cutting any branch off, if you do your undercut first and then your top cut farther out on the branch (meaning out PAST your undercut), there is a chance that the branch will split behind where your saw finishes the cut. This will leave wood intact around your bar, which can grab it and pull the saw down with it.

Similarly, as in the case in the video at 28:00 (plus about 3 seconds), your saw was stuck for a split second, and felt "carried off" with the chunk. Do your front "face" cut, and then put your back cut (ONLY on snap cuts) lower (or behind, if on a branch rather than the spar) than your front/under cut. This way, no matter where the "holding wood" splits, your bar is outside, and can't be hauled off.

If you cut an actual face notch, this rule doesn't apply because there's a hinge of bending wood rather than a split in the fibers, so your back cut should be a touch above the notch, rather than below/behind as with the snap.


Thank you!
 
If you can get a copy of Fundamentals of General Treework, by Gerald Beranek, do it.
I'll look into it! Thanks!

Got a few more jobs coming up in the coming weeks and months, will post more videos at that time.

Got my LLC and insurance figured out. As I come out of doing this as a hobby, I'll start working towards other good Certs. (ISA is a goal, albeit a lengthy one as I will have to study in my free time which isn't much right now... in the meantime I will consult local arborists when needed prior to removals)
 
What company was willing to insure you, and how'd you swing getting an LLC without having 2+ or however much years' of experience working for someone else? Most insurance companies won't insure before a few years, and it seems like most states won't give a business license to someone lacking upwards of 4 years of experience.
 
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In OR anyone can start an LLC, and I found an insurance company willing to work with me for a reasonable rate. Initially I'll be contract climbing under others CCB's, until I have the required experience for my own license/ bond.
 
I do need to work on landing logs flat. Also, on this one a lot of the multiple cuts I made was to allow safer 1-hand opperation of the saw so I could grab the branch and control where it went. Don't like being near my body or ropes 1-handed.
 
Around the 4 minute area, you seem to be standing on your spurs to cut, with climb line just above the branch you're cutting. If you're going to want to not connect, reconnect your climbing line, you can stand in spurs for most of the tree, rope below flip-line. Keep advancing as you're clearing limbs.


If you're going to move your rope up, again and again, advance it above the crotch somewhat to have some working room (as high as is energy efficient), sit down in your saddle (holds the choked rope above branch to be cut), take the weight off spurs and lanyard, and use them for positioning. Cut your limbs, then cut your stub from one position.

I don't know what you're calling out before cutting, READY? HEADACHE???? Neither is clear to an unseen pedestrian, kid on bike, etc.

Call from Climber:
STAND CLEAR!

Response from Ground Crew: ALL CLEAR (AFTER CHECKING FOR PEOPLE AND EQUIPMENT)!



Some species will peel a lot on the bark. You can sometimes cut from the top only, hand or chainsaw, let it peel down, then either pull down or up and the thin bit of holding wood/ bark will peel. When it works out, you can cut with two hands, take your finger off the trigger and throttle interlock (trigger lock-out), peel and guide the limb down, then grab again with both hands and finish off the stub. Two handed cutting, no start and stop saw/ hang and pick-up saw, unnecessarily.



At 521, I'd have considered flipping your saw over, and backchaining straight through, using the bar to flick stub away from the tree, and definitely not dropping stuff the rope.

I'd bag the rope and carry it to reduce the ground work of branches forever getting tangled in the climbing line, especially if there is also a rigging line. If the chipper is running, most certainly secure you rope. This could simply mean throwing your tail through a low crotch in same/ another tree, over a fence, etc.


553 looks like lanyard is way upward, as well as slack climbing line, both in cutting area. Again, hang on climbing line anchored up high, and let lanyard hang low. If you were on your side D rings with that upward angle, you're not getting supported properly. Bridge rings would be different.


You can keep an throw weight on your screw link or termination carbiner (consider taping on with electrical tape, easy on, easy off later). This will allow much farther advances of your climbing line, allowing your more/ higher overhead support for lateral reaches.
 
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Wow! Very detailed response. Thank you!

Around the 4 minute area, you seem to be standing on your spurs to cut, with climb line just above the branch you're cutting. If you're going to want to not connect, reconnect your climbing line, you can stand in spurs for most of the tree, rope below flip-line. Keep advancing as you're clearing limbs.

If you're going to move your rope up, again and again, advance it above the crotch somewhat to have some working room (as high as is energy efficient), sit down in your saddle (holds the choked rope above branch to be cut), take the weight off spurs and lanyard, and use them for positioning. Cut your limbs, then cut your stub from one position.

You can keep an throw weight on your screw link or termination carbiner (consider taping on with electrical tape, easy on, easy off later). This will allow much farther advances of your climbing line, allowing your more/ higher overhead support for lateral reaches.

I did a combination of both advance the choke, and toss the screw link to advance on this one. SRT choke made it SO much easier to work the spar. When I got near the top, that was when I started to advance my lifeline above me. I still need to work on remembering when it's above me I can sit back. I've caught myself standing in the spurs for a long time just standing there thinking about my next move/ series of moves, or waiting for ground crew, instead of sitting down.

I like the throw weight idea... I need to get a couple more. I get nervous only having one, because if I drop it, that means I have to haul it back up to continue working.

I don't know what you're calling out before cutting, READY? HEADACHE???? Neither is clear to an unseen pedestrian, kid on bike, etc.

Call from Climber:
STAND CLEAR!

Response from Ground Crew: ALL CLEAR (AFTER CHECKING FOR PEOPLE AND EQUIPMENT)!

Funny you mention that... Not in the video, a kid rode around my cones, around my truck parked on the sidewalk to block the sidewalk from people, and through the front yard directly under the tree. I gave him a very stern "Don't ever do that again, you could get killed!" talk from the tree and he acknowledged and rode off... Thankfully I wasn't making a cut. Ground guy saw his friend ride in the street around the truck, then this kid comes out of nowhere through the yard. Ground guy put a big branch in the way too after that.

Will change my habit in what I say there.

Some species will peel a lot on the bark. You can sometimes cut from the top only, hand or chainsaw, let it peel down, then either pull down or up and the thin bit of holding wood/ bark will peel. When it works out, you can cut with two hands, take your finger off the trigger and throttle interlock (trigger lock-out), peel and guide the limb down, then grab again with both hands and finish off the stub. Two handed cutting, no start and stop saw/ hang and pick-up saw, unnecessarily.

That makes sense.



At 521, I'd have considered flipping your saw over, and backchaining straight through, using the bar to flick stub away from the tree, and definitely not dropping stuff the rope.

Still trying to learn the bar flick... I try it on every stub. Sometimes I get it, sometimes I don't. I'll try it with an up cut tho.

I'd bag the rope and carry it to reduce the ground work of branches forever getting tangled in the climbing line, especially if there is also a rigging line. If the chipper is running, most certainly secure you rope. This could simply mean throwing your tail through a low crotch in same/ another tree, over a fence, etc.

That's been a consideration, just haven't put that into practice yet.

Near the end I had the ground guy drag my tail back near the truck so I didn't gaff the rope.

I did notice after watching the video that when I was rigging down the dead side, at some point the rigging rope got twisted around my lifeline. Will need to pay much better attention to that. But that's why I record everything, so I can try to learn from my own mistakes too.


553 looks like lanyard is way upward, as well as slack climbing line, both in cutting area. Again, hang on climbing line anchored up high, and let lanyard hang low. If you were on your side D rings with that upward angle, you're not getting supported properly. Bridge rings would be different.


I do use my lanyard on the bridge rings. So much more comfortable, and when working the spar, gives me another 6" of work area.
 
You're going well.


How did you climbing line hold up against the friction of the rigging rope? Potentially deadly.

A lot of that rigging looked unnecessary. Firewooding those spar pieces down onto a pile of brush might be a better choice. Groundman doing some other work, less risk for the moment. A half of a $15 piece of plywood under the brush would mitigate ground damage for that size tree, I'd think.

A trick for when you catch a limb with two slings and a biner...if you choke the upper sling where it can slide off, you then can sometimes just lift the cut branch, get the choke to loosen, and drop the branch without having to hold with one hand, lift with the other. Also, if you have a fork combo to work with between the cut branch and the rest of the tree, you can sometimes lift and hang the branch off the tree, then retrieve your gear, and throw/ drop the limb.
 
Largely, I use my hip D's, unless there is reason to use bridge D's (many good reasons). If you use your climbing system to sit on, you will be able to get some better positioning from your hip-Ds often, including when you wrap your lanyard 540*, like on a leaning stem, or if you want fall-arrest out of your lanyard while changing climbing systems.
 
You're going well.


How did you climbing line hold up against the friction of the rigging rope? Potentially deadly.

it held up Ok, There's some very minor fuzzing but nothing I would be concerned about. Most of what we were rigging was fairly lightweight, and I didn't have much of my bodyweight in the top TIP because of how my rope runner was jabbing into me working the dead spar down. I think in future trees I'll use my rope wrench and a hitch for removals like this. (Still will use RR for broad canopy trees)

A lot of that rigging looked unnecessary. Firewooding those spar pieces down onto a pile of brush might be a better choice. Groundman doing some other work, less risk for the moment. A half of a $15 piece of plywood under the brush would mitigate ground damage for that size tree, I'd think.

Trying to not smash the bushes below, and the neighbors internet line was well within the fall area of some of the branches and higher pieces. A couple pieces bounced funny and tagged a bush, but they were smaller pieces.

A trick for when you catch a limb with two slings and a biner...if you choke the upper sling where it can slide off, you then can sometimes just lift the cut branch, get the choke to loosen, and drop the branch without having to hold with one hand, lift with the other. Also, if you have a fork combo to work with between the cut branch and the rest of the tree, you can sometimes lift and hang the branch off the tree, then retrieve your gear, and throw/ drop the limb.

I like it!

Largely, I use my hip D's, unless there is reason to use bridge D's (many good reasons). If you use your climbing system to sit on, you will be able to get some better positioning from your hip-Ds often, including when you wrap your lanyard 540*, like on a leaning stem, or if you want fall-arrest out of your lanyard while changing climbing systems.

My lanyard adjuster uses a twisted shackle, which isn't the easiest to adjust in the tree so I tend to set it and leave it on my main D's or bridge rings. The clip side I will move back and forth as necessary for the reasons stated above. It works ok.

I really wish I had taken a second lanyard up with me a couple times tho. My rope lanyards with the prusik are much easier to adjust fast vs my steel-core flipline. Especially when I just swung into a tree, need more lanyard fast, and am holding on with one hand, and trying to opperate that finnaky adjuster with the other.
 
If I know I will want to lanyard in quickly after a swing while hanging on with one hand, I'll guess how much length I need, adjust it before my move, and let it dangle where it won't catch on anything. That way it's easy to clip in when I get to my destination, no fiddling with adjusters.(y)
 
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If I know I will want to lanyard in quickly after a swing while hanging on with one hand, I'll guess how much length I need, adjust it before my move, and let it dangle where it won't catch on anything. That way it's easy to clip in when I get to my destination, no fiddling with adjusters.(y)

LOL! Yeah, that requires forethought

Even still, I prefer my prusik adjusters to the mechanical on my flip line. I need to get a longer flip line (recently maxed it out and was squeezing to climb) so on that one I will probably omit the mechanical and do a pulley and prusik. I'll often use my flip line just like a regular rope lanyard (and along side a rope lanyard), and the mechanical thing gets really annoying. But the steel core is very benificial to me at times. Also wouldn't mind having a short and long flip line as needed.
 
I meant the spar chunks looked like they might be easier to skip the rigging, and cut smaller, dumping onto a crash pad.

Ahh, that makes sense.

Honestly, I think I could have man-handled those chunks to elsewhere in the yard, vs rigging, (like I did on the live spar) but he REALLY didn't want to hurt the rose bushes, and also avoid damage to the other bushes, so with my experience level, I decided to rig it.

It also got me practice rigging in a much lower stress environment. I have another job coming up that MUST BE be 100% rigged (speedline branches, negative rig chunks) and this was a great one to apply what I've learned on. (Two leaners that lean well over property line and fences, with a good distance to branch landing site, speedline makes more sense)
 

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