Need help deciding on a heavy-duty rigging setup..

My Lord I have a headache reading this. Just rig and cut the block. Cycles to failure. Inspect ropes. Use rope for task. Retire them early. Rope is cheap. Buy a lot. Stay within ropes limits. Tighten those drops up. Let the fuckin this run if possible if not use appropriate rope. Case closed. Quote with respect to buying a new rope if beating it up willbe the case. Retire afterwards.
Carry on.
 
Keep in mind, I didn't mention it in my post that your responding to, not only does the groundie need to let it run 3X as fast as normal but he also needs to do so while only controlling 1/3 of the weight of the piece. That's only 1/3 in a friction less setup, that fraction becomes smaller once you introduce a lot of friction up top.

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As for the triple thimble and how it interfaces with 3/4 rope, are you looking at the host rope or the rigging rope? I have mine spliced on a 3/4 host rope and can run that sling through it for a pic, but I've never lowered with it and a 3/4 rope.

Re groundie-movement, are you meaning to imply that's good or bad? I see it just as "starting further from the bollard" or allowing more run-room on the ground... I've rarely set double-whips as I'm often setting enough friction that anybody would be able to manage the ropes (only real "thing to watch" is how easy it is to snub stuff, line-pressure is intentionally withheld on lighter stuff just to ensure it gets moving / doesn't hang there!)
Wish I could utilize my kit more (and expect to soon) as you can put on so much 'brakes' w/ these setups it's insane, have literally just 1-handed ~250lbs pieces (no porty) when running ropes on one of my systems (F'er knicked one of my XL rings in like 10min of cutting...)

For the triple-thimble...if there's any question on a 3/4" sling-slot, it's not wide enough for terminal use anyway :/ I mean the rigging rope...I hate that innovation on 3-ringed-devices stopped w/ the Bloc and THT, if the THT takes slightly-larger bull rope & is thicker than the Safebloc then it'd be of use (if you have calipers I'd love to know width/depth ie bend-radius if running 1 hole, the Safebloc is sadly thin at ~40mm, an XL ring is ~45mm and my #3 Elevation Canada is 50mm) Should be at least 1-2 more Safebloc permutations including something larger...I use 5/8 by default, and find it works better than smaller 1/2 and 11.7mm ropes in both ring & Safebloc, but for a load I was "on the fence" about taking I would hesitate to use the Safebloc at least alone (ie w/o a slightly-higher, big-ring fairlead sling) it's just kinda thin for a 5/8 IMO...make it thicker for more surface-area, larger holes on same-height by spreading middle hole to side from top&bottom would actually allow a thicker, shorter 3-hole with slightly larger holes and more total contact-patch. Add dog-ears or some other form of tabs on the top @the sling groove to allow use w/ the rope exiting top-hole - would be no rub if holes off-centered - and now same 'slop'/slack as any XL ring would have...gah there's so many easy improvements on this 3-holed design (hell I'm surprised they've yet to release a smaller 2-hole version or, of real use, a bigger-holed, 4-hole XL version for real HD terminal rigging!), sad to see it's been sat, untouched and adverts/price un-changed, year after year...working aluminum is simple am genuinely surprised at how slow such devices are coming to market - it must just be that it's such a small market :/
 
Re groundie-movement, are you meaning to imply that's good or bad? I see it just as "starting further from the bollard" or allowing more run-room on the ground... I've rarely set double-whips as I'm often setting enough friction that anybody would be able to manage the ropes (only real "thing to watch" is how easy it is to snub stuff, line-pressure is intentionally withheld on lighter stuff just to ensure it gets moving / doesn't hang there!)
Wish I could utilize my kit more (and expect to soon) as you can put on so much 'brakes' w/ these setups it's insane, have literally just 1-handed ~250lbs pieces (no porty) when running ropes on one of my systems (F'er knicked one of my XL rings in like 10min of cutting...)

The point being that if you keep taking weight away from groundie then it's harder to get it moving/keep it moving. It's perfectly possible to get so much aerial friction that a piece will not move at all and gets locked off. With additional friction and legs of rope it increases the chance of the log not running if you miscalculated. Let's say you have that 250 lbs of friction that you mentioned, add more legs of rope and now your at 500-750 lbs of "friction" plus the extra rings added on the piece being lowered. If it's a 500lb piece its going to move slowly (or not at all) keeping it near the climber for a potential injury.

The point is, as with all things, start out low and slow on new techniques.


As for the triple thimble, I'll include a pic of mine spliced on a 3/4" stable braid.

I doubt there is a need for 4 or more holes, unless using it as a single rigging point with multiple lines running through separate holes. Which by the way the triple thimble works well for, I've not seen anyone use a safebloc for this due to the holes all being linear. The reason why you do not need more holes for a single line is that if you need that much friction then you need a larger rope. The larger rope will create more friction in the same device due to more surface contact. Screenshot_20200413-114037_Photos.jpg
 
i think best to start that on super tight line, to the greater frictions mentioned.
>>or get dead drop to the frictional control
On long horizontal this might be self tightening by allowing load to drift down on hinge,
against tight rope to tighten rope more.
>>this takes not a butt tie, but closer to CoG.
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i think mechanically, pivot is most loaded part.
That is usually hinge before tearoff and rope hitch point after.
w/impact of shock at the interchange.
Also accentuated by any continuing, now faster rotation of load to vertical
>>so rotating down to pretighten w/hitch near CoG on longer horizontal model
>>gives less shock downward and from almost complete rotation
>>AND length between hinge and hitch becomes ballast so that more butterflies than slams to vertical
As we do this, we can get the pivotal change BEFORE tearoff
So that instead of rope being light helper and hinge handling load
load is now light on hinge and rope hitch is pivot GAME CHANGER.
less impact of change at tearoff.
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Also, if rope is angled, or has prussik swig line
(best if goes up over a low friction branch then to load rope so meets at more perpendicular angle for sweat/swig if hard to get that angle from ground)
The super tight rope, is now a ballast against the load down so load more floats on rope
>>both forces eliminate each other from formulae and leaves tight rope at angle (and/or swig)
If load is pressing down to tension rope to 400# and rope angle is to 12:01 clock minute hand angle is 40# sideways, 12:02 is 80# sideways on hinge, 12:03 120# pulling sideways on hinge to steer load. Pattern pretty faith full to almost mid way point 7.5mins @45 degrees puts 70 not 75%, very accurate to 5 mins. angle = 50% .
If the laod itself pushes down 400#, the numbers are greater as the rope is less and less efficient column of support and that raises the line tension that calc percents on.
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Another way to go is the tangent scale it falls on each minute at 11%,22%,33%,44%,55% (end of accuracy) with the minutes. so 400 downward on rope @ 1 minute angle gives 44# sideways, @ 2 minute angle gives 88# sideways etc. Cant prove it but i think pattern found is (perhaps purposefully put) from Babylonians as one of first PI users , maker of 360 circle, maker of 12hr time, of 60 minutes to match their base 60 math. More to that pattern but that is the main theme i see. But in any case my rules of thumb have served me well, and are most accurate (to about 1%) in the '1st hr' (mins. 1-5) on clock, that i used most. And can be flipped around to show 2-3oclock range, so just thumbrule just doesn't cover midrange of 1-2o'clock. But this is range of most moderate and matching changes anyway, and least used in this type of work.
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