Natural crotchin'

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This is a close up of the rope with a loop in the ladder snap. The loop is 3/8" NE filament dacron (3 strand). I had 3 spliced loops tested on a break machine in 1992. They all broke around 10,000 lbs. These were brand new and unused loops.
There are 2 reasons for choosing this anchor. One for the location in proximity to the drop zone and 2, the forces were directed down the main part of the stem. We tried to direct the forces along the length of the stem as much as we could.
 

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hey wait a minute.... those pictures can't be used in the "natural crotchin" thread!
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cool set up.
 
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I like that setup . Some jobs they let the new guy untie the rigging knot and it takes forever. When I get real annoyed , I'll tie three or four different knots on a limb , and give them a reason to take forever. A bowline , backed up by a clove hitch , folowed by a cowhitch , ending with a timber hitch. Make a ground man throw his gloves off.
 
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When I get real annoyed , I'll tie three or four different knots on a limb , and give them a reason to take forever.

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Because he was annoyed?
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i only use knots (can not understand y u would use a knotless system) one less bit of equipment to be lost or broken, i trust my knots and i train my staff so they can untie them quickly.
 
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Knotless; or making an eye and using krab and sling is pretty quick, universal hitching system.

But; it is more than that to me. i can preset the target loads and just link'em up when rope returns etc. But, also; i can preset them a few moves ahead and re-evaluate the decision for the hitchpoint and cut point a few times; and maybe change it here and there! i can really werk my brain here; second guessing my own self; put more into it by evaluating it more; to then get more out of it etc.; make it more of a chess game.

i remember long ago; i had the slings and krabs; and didn't want to carry the extra weight etc.; so would only have them sent up if i 'needed' them. But, then that amopunt of effort and time became part of the weighing of the decision of cost/benefit of using them. then, one day i maid the decision; that they were part of my gear, i was going to war up'thar; and taking them with me always. It wasn't until then, that i realized how multipurpose and powerful they were. And i never looked back; and forged on ahead in many ways; changing the frictions on ropes by bending them with the krabs; speedlining down a rope that had jsut been lowered and the load was now my anchor, spreading out the support loading; remote sweating/swigging; cutting something to the point of almost hinging around-then cutting something else on krab and sling set to slam down on the line of the original target and pull it around more horizontally, changing the balance of a load by hanging another load off it with krab/sling set, using a krab/sling to redirect a rig line to deliver right between the fence and house-the best sweet spot where there is no overhead support, safety backups, back ups for my backups etc. etc. i'm not calling anyone unprofessional; but truly, truly; i felt this was the most professional way to proceed-and i think it looked like it to the customers too!
 
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very good reply thanks for taking the time. I to will use speedline and slings when needed but kiss.
Keep it simple stupid, 90% of the time i just use a strong rope and the versatility of Knots its amazing how creative you can be.
 
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remote sweating/swigging

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What is that??

Nice post, lotsa interesting reasoning.
 
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Thanks; sometimes it is not the efficiency of a single move that counts, but the orchestration of all the moves together. More polished ways to choose from; give more ways to go.. As illustrated by this timeless animated .gif of speedlining by Dave Spenscer.

Sweating & Swigging are the same thing. Sir Brion Toss tells it best with swashbuckling stories and imageries of men out at sea for months; with no electricity, motors very little food etc. in ancient times. Literally trusting their lives to the wind; to ever make ground again and survive. Sometimes a key piece of gear; the crank for the Capstan wench would get lost, broken or washed over board etc. To survive, the mens would sweat what they could out of the rope; by pulling sideways to increase the tension in the line; then snatching the line through the capstan to take 'purchase'/ leave less line on the loaded side of the frictions of the capstan. which would leave more tension or lift on said side. Itr is totally befitting he bring these stories to us to understand ropes; for 90% of rope and knots knowledge comes from the worlds of shipping and docks! And as tree folk; putting it on the line alone in a sea of clouds and leaves; rigging loads; whom else more closely pairallells us than those that put their lives on the line alone at their sea and moving loads??

Usually, we think of rope as a flexible device, as we find it. Leverage is obtained by more of a perpendicular force on a non-flexible device. This then gets an amplified return of force from the resistance to bending from the perpendicular force applied as an input. So, as we usually see rope as not resisting bending; the powerfull strategy of sweating/swigging is not realized, because it is so counter-intuitive.

But, a rope under tension already; does resist bending; so can give a leveraged return from perpendicular force applied; not the usual inline force applied to pulley systems for amplified return. It is all in the angles. Each leg of a pulley system has an inline force of theoretically Zer0 deflection; so has theoretically unamplified/unchanged force per leg, but the sum of the legs of pull on the load make the difference. But; as the angle of deflection changes/widens, the pulls on the load(at bend in line) is lessened; as the lines/legs of pull now have less leverage over the load/ and the load has increasing leverage 'over' the input. But still; the end of the line; has leverage over the bend(pulley) of the line; so we input force at the end, and take our increase at the bend.

At 120 degrees spread (each leg 60 degrees deflected off inline) the pull on load is equal to the input pull(in half x 2legs); this is the only angle of such equality in a 2 leg system. The secant(reciprocal of cosine) of 60 is 2; 2/number of legs(2) X load at bend=load at end. Flatter than 120; we have an inversion of the relationship of our 2:1 pulley system; now, instead of the end of the line having leverage over the bend; the bend has leverage over the end! (So, the smart sailor; will not pull from the end to have output on the bend, but, rather pull from a bend to have output on the end. S/He will reverse the strategy of the input and output positions as the forces reverse.

i've used this in tightening lines even remotely.

Also, this is very powerful strategy for tying down stuff. Like, do a ZRig; most stop there as a tightening; but hear, we use that just to stiffen the line/increase it's resis-stance to bending; so we can then leverage it....to give the real tightening. We do have to be carefull of 2 things here 1)that we don't bend metal or break something else 2)that we realize the changing angle will change the direction of pull; and plot this into our madness of power!

Increased Leverage Tie Down

Traded loss for power shows spreading a zrig that i've shown will give decrease in power; but not if you eventually capitalize on that spread to leverage the legs!!


In the last pic of this'ol drawing i show another way i've used this; with what i call a T-Bar. The tighter a line is, the more it will resist bending, therefore the more leveraged return it will have. Sometimes; i'll have it so tight; i'll take a perpendicular line, anchor 1 end and loop it over the orignal line to give a quick 2:1 type pull to bend the original line. Taking this further; enter the T-Bar. Here; i Anchor 1 end and place the other perpendicular and tied to the first and tighten the 2nd. Then i bend the 2nd line for amplified leverage, that in turn places that power on the primary 1st line to bend it. Now, we are playing with real power! For this is a double multiplication on load; that theoretically starts with a line so tight it can't be bent. Our input is multiplied by leverage the 2nd line, and that power is inturn used to bend the primary line; so therefore multiplied by the primary line being leveraged; that then outputs the force onto the load. Input X leveraging of 2nd line X leveraging of primary line = Output of force on load(s).

"Nature to be Commanded; Must be Obeyed"
-Sir Francis Bacon
 

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That's really cool, I do that all the time, didn't know that it had a name. So sweating and swigging are the same thing, right?

So it's "sweat the line" and "swig the line"?
 
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Yes, bending a a taut line is leveraging the line; using that leverage to raise the tension; then draw a purchase of line from the load side to the control side is sweating or swigging the line.



i kinda argue too that pulleys aren't leverage/ levers in that they are inline and their power isn't angular and changing direction. To me, adding another leg of pull to a pulley system and saying that increases the leverage is more English semantics. For, if we had 4 table legs, and added a 5th supporting table leg; we wouldn't say that we increased the leverage?? In fact we wouldn't say that the legs were leveraged, unless their legs were at an angle; and then the loading would be leveraged against them more, than if they were straight.
 

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