Looking for the ideal rope.

[Willber]

How much do you suppose it would cost to have a rope made?

I don't know, but I think it they would need a minimum of $10,000 of investment. But, I'm thinking there's not such a rope, and if I could convince a company that such a rope could fill a very needed void in the market, then they might do it out of self interest.

 

[southsoundtree]

I think that they already have plenty of business and have their self- interest in mind.

Maybe get Petzl to make devices that don't crack, and change to fit the available ropes.

 

[islandarb]

Rope manufacturers make the most money from the sailing and boating community not the arb. We make up such a small amount of their overall sales. Just saying. They have no interest in one arb's rope woes. we have great offerings.

 

[CutHighnLetFly]

I don't know, but I think it they would need a minimum of $10,000 of investment. But, I'm thinking there's not such a rope, and if I could convince a company that such a rope could fill a very needed void in the market, then they might do it out of self interest.

Yale maxibraid is a flip line. It's not a climbing line. Again. Trying to use a rope for something it's not at all made for. No one is trying to say you're new to tree work. But someone can climb with no rope and two lanyards for 20 years, come onto treebuzz and say "why are you even using ropes?" You don't have to like the responses for them to be good answers. I apologize for being direct about it if it came across as dismissive

 

[Willber]

Yale maxibraid is a flip line. It's not a climbing line. Again. Trying to use a rope for something it's not at all made for. No one is trying to say you're new to tree work. But someone can climb with no rope and two lanyards for 20 years, come onto treebuzz and say "why are you even using ropes?" You don't have to like the responses for them to be good answers. I apologize for being direct about it if it came across as dismissive

The MaxiBraid may not stay round enough for me and it is very expensive. When I mention Dyneema to be used in this "ideal rope" it was clear stated to be used in the core only, because a partial amount of Dyneema could be used to add great staticness, while reducing overall weight of the rope. Maybe 1/3 Dyneema 2/3 polyester.
Oh, "Again. trying to use a rope for something it's not at all made for." "Again" in reference to me using the Beal Access rope for tree climbing? It works great, and flattens less than any other "arborist" rope on the market.
I remember you stated that self abrading nature of Dyneema, as a rope core, makes it terrible for DRT rope practices.
I do know Dyneema is very susceptible to abrasion wear, but I thought that would be like a high wear area like a rope cover, used in an abrasive environment like tree branches. But, you're saying even the movement within a rope will cause Dyneema to wear significantly. Even if it is mixed with polyester?

You're alright, I didn't take offense to it.

 

[Brocky]

Dyneema isn’t self abrasive like aramids, Technora, Kevlar, and Twaron, which are the common ones. I’ve found it also flattens easier and would need a very tightly braided cover to keep it round. Marlow Ropes make rope to order, they have a couple of arborist ropes also.

 

[moss]

Question about what rope surface is best for hand grip. Might need our in-house technical experts to comment. In general when I think about smooth I think slippery, nubby I think traction. Snow tires for example, or bald tires vs. new tires. Then there are racing slicks on dragsters, that's more about temperature though, hot/burning rubber grips.

16-strand 1/2" arb lines are nice to grip. 11mm 24-strand arb lines not so much. I can't climb on them well without Atlas latex palm gloves. Good news about Atlas gloves is I can grip any line with them. Which is one reason why gripping 11 or 11.7mm 24-strand double braids is not a problem for me.
-AJ

 

[Willber]

Question about what rope surface is best for hand grip. Might need our in-house technical experts to comment. In general when I think about smooth I think slippery, nubby I think traction. Snow tires for example, or bald tires vs. new tires. Then there are racing slicks on dragsters, that's more about temperature though, hot/burning rubber grips.

16-strand 1/2" arb lines are nice to grip. 11mm 24-strand arb lines not so much. I can't climb on them well without Atlas latex palm gloves. Good news about Atlas gloves is I can grip any line with them. Which is one reason why gripping 11 or 11.7mm 24-strand double braids is not a problem for me.
-AJ

I will not discredit your knowledge. One thing I've noticed is the Scandere(new, not broken by abrasion therefore becoming more abrasive itself) can be gripped with these gloves: https://www.mechanix.com/us-en/abra...ar_S1DH-05_color=red&cgid=abrasion-resistance
Which are "slippery" on many other ropes, and I think it's to do with the high surface are of a true 48 braid cover, also the more intersection of braid strand (also filaments which by nature are very slippery gripped parallel) the more braid strands are placed perpendicular to the rope, which seems to help in grip. Especially given the each "clump" of filaments making up the 48 braid strands are relatively "bulky" in mass. And, given a slight twist (which Scandere lacks).
One thing nice about those gloves is they are extremely abrasion resistant, one pair with last two weeks, or more. And take a long time to show pieces of the grip surface missing.

 

[southsoundtree]

I forget, did you wash the braiding wax off of new ropes?

 

[Brocky]

I’ve never liked the nitrile coated, too slippery, but noticed the linked gloves have a wavy pattern. Does the wavy improve the grip over the common, smooth ones. Like the idea of upper hand protection, woke up one morning and there we’re old man hands sticking out of my sleeves.

 

[evo]

I’ve never liked the nitrile coated, too slippery, but noticed the linked gloves have a wavy pattern. Does the wavy improve the grip over the common, smooth ones. Like the idea of upper hand protection, woke up one morning and there we’re old man hands sticking out of my sleeves.

I’m recognizing my hands less and less these days

 

[islandarb]

F#$k gloves....11.7 24strand is my jam....even KM3max

 

[southsoundtree]

Some of us use them for warmth.

Rub it in some more, why doncha!

 

[islandarb]

Some of us use them for warmth.

Rub it in some more, why doncha!

Was thinking we were talking GRIP. In individuals grip can be so different so understand the need for gloves in some. Pull ups can increase grip. Amount other exercises.

 

[dspacio]

glad I got a length of Yale 11.7, loved it from day #1; and just chose to get the same rope again, as that first line shortens and heads for retirement...
Guess I am easy to please. I have Velocity as well, another great rope. Having choices gives the right line for the day.

I also will start raking with my foot rather than waiting around for the proper tool so I may not be the one for this conversation.

 

[Njdelaney]

glad I got a length of Yale 11.7, loved it from day #1; and just chose to get the same rope again, as that first line shortens and heads for retirement...
Guess I am easy to please. I have Velocity as well, another great rope. Having choices gives the right line for the day.

I also will start raking with my foot rather than waiting around for the proper tool so I may not be the one for this conversation.

A motivated fella can do alot with a foot rake and hand loader

 

[dspacio]

A motivated fella can do alot with a foot rake and hand loader

new guys think I am joking about the foot rake but I never waste a late day trip to the truck without an armful of brush.
aint walking over back and forth to collect a rake like a putz

 

[islandarb]

Honestly after trying almost all modern arb ropes, a Yale 11.7 or Samson 11.7 does not disappoint. perfect balance for a line. Low stretch, knots well, easy on hands, works awesome with ascenders, handles hitches or mechanicals well, DdRT or SRT no probs, gets better with age and is very durable, hand splices too. might have left out something pro. Oh yes pretty light too. So f@#k looking elsewhere for me. Others have many choices too, so they are satisfied also.

 

[Willber]

Honestly after trying almost all modern arb ropes, a Yale 11.7 or Samson 11.7 does not disappoint. perfect balance for a line. Low stretch, knots well, easy on hands, works awesome with ascenders, handles hitches or mechanicals well, DdRT or SRT no probs, gets better with age and is very durable, hand splices too. might have left out something pro. Oh yes pretty light too. So f@#k looking elsewhere for me. Others have many choices too, so they are satisfied also.

Would the Yale Confetti, be the "Yale 11.7 that doesn't disappoint"? And, the Confetti has good grip, and doesn't flatten, like the Scandere? Would you say the Confetti has almost as little stretch as Blue Moon? Blue Moon has an ideal amount of elongation for an arb rope.

Would you say Confetti has better hand grip than Xstatic? The funny thing is Xstatic has better grip in the hands than Adrenaline, even though Adrenaline is larger diameter, 11.8 vs. Xstatic 11.7 and the braid count is the same for both ropes. Maybe there is more quantity of filaments in each braid of the Xstatic, than there in the Adrenaline, which could make for a more pronounced nobbyness of the braid texture, giving better hand grip, even though it is smaller diameter.

Is Confetti your favorite climbing rope?

What about the "Samson 11.7" rope? Is it grippier than the "Yale 11.7"

 

[islandarb]

Would the Yale Confetti, be the "Yale 11.7 that doesn't disappoint"? And, the Confetti has good grip, and doesn't flatten, like the Scandere? Would you say the Confetti has almost as little stretch as Blue Moon? Blue Moon has an ideal amount of elongation for an arb rope.

Would you say Confetti has better hand grip than Xstatic? The funny thing is Xstatic has better grip in the hands than Adrenaline, even though Adrenaline is larger diameter, 11.8 vs. Xstatic 11.7 and the braid count is the same for both ropes. Maybe there is more quantity of filaments in each braid of the Xstatic, than there in the Adrenaline, which could make for a more pronounced nobbyness of the braid texture, giving better hand grip, even though it is smaller diameter.

Is Confetti your favorite climbing rope?

What about the "Samson 11.7" rope? Is it grippier than the "Yale 11.7"

I have owned all yale11.7s.....too many to start calling here. Many iterations of small runs. They are all similar but not exact. Calamine was my fav of all time. I no longer have any and only the CE is sold ( nylon core ). Drenaline and xstatic are not for me. Owned them both. I found xtatic bouncy and drenaline way to bouncy. I could grip both easy. Well made rope but just not for me. Xstatic is supposed to be low stretch. Hell no in my opinion. Static poly kernmaster is good but skinny and not durable. Marlow vega is another top notch rope. Insanely durable and static. Tuff as nails 11.7. Cherry bomb and blue craze were good. Rocket in that line was also good.....cougar blue and grey also very good 11.7s.