Liberalism ruins everything it touches.

"Since no one actually knows"....then the harm of a woman making an indiviudal choice is "potentially" killing a life, since "no one actually knows".

I do see and respect there are others with a different point of view from mine that life begins at conception. It still will not stop me from trying to respectfully raise a ruckus that abortion is the killing of an innocent human in the womb. Unfortunately I haven't often seem the same respect from those with a different viewpoint of when life begins towards others who feel the same as I in this thread, and other conversations.
I’m down for having a conversation about it, but it needs to remain civil and without judgement on what we don’t know. I can tell you that the close proximity I’ve had to abortions, is that it’s never a easy choice and often a emotional and physically painful experience. I’d never feel comfortable shaming those who have made that choice. That’s also without touching down on all the what ifs.
Rape/incest
Threat to the mother
Threat to the unborn
Genetic conditions
On and on….
 
I’m down for having a conversation about it, but it needs to remain civil and without judgement on what we don’t know. I can tell you that the close proximity I’ve had to abortions, is that it’s never a easy choice and often a emotional and physically painful experience. I’d never feel comfortable shaming those who have made that choice. That’s also without touching down on all the what ifs.
Rape/incest
Threat to the mother
Threat to the unborn
Genetic conditions
On and on….
My point here being killing, murdering, aborting or what ever adjective you want to use is ugly but sometimes necesary.
 
I have not red this thread. Absolutely no need to. Our current affairs are all by design.
United we stand, divided we fall.
Republicans and Democrats are 2 sides of the same coin, an illusion of choice.
Presidents are not elected. They are selected.

To all, beware of the coming food shortages. We all should be concerned. Especially those of us with families to feed.

BTW, "Build Back, Better'' is not Joes phrase. It is a global one.
Peace everyone. I'm out of this thread.
 
I’m down for having a conversation about it, but it needs to remain civil and without judgement on what we don’t know. I can tell you that the close proximity I’ve had to abortions, is that it’s never a easy choice and often a emotional and physically painful experience. I’d never feel comfortable shaming those who have made that choice. That’s also without touching down on all the what ifs.
Rape/incest
Threat to the mother
Threat to the unborn
Genetic conditions
On and on….
I will not waver that abortion is wrong because it is the direct and intentional, violent destruction of a human life. My advocating for the lives of the unborn isn't to condemn or shame, but to share the truth in order to help build strong and safe women, babies, and families. Abortion is a horrible thing for women. It is destructive to our souls; however, there is grace and forgiveness available to those who have experienced abortion.

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The parents’ sociological, financial, and emotional situations, along with their relative maturity, self-reliance and support network, must provide the justification for keeping or aborting the yet-potential life in the womb.

True Story: Early in her pregnancy, my close friend’s wife was informed that the twins she was carrying showed strong signs of congenital birth defects--and that medical abortion might be the best choice. “God will provide,” the parents said. At 24 weeks, the twins were born with dozens of complications, including one whose bones would break if someone picked him up; he had numerous broken bones and suffered terribly. “God will provide,” they said. Doctors, nurses, social workers, and others (including me) recommended that the children be allowed to pass on peacefully, in order to forgo a lifetime of myriad, and in many cases unforeseeable, difficulties for the entire family. “God will provide,” they said. And so it came to pass.

However, in their case, all of the predicted challenges—and more—proved more than any of them could bear. Lacking universal health care, the medical bills kept coming. The physical care was endless; the financial burdens of home health care were astronomical; sleep was a rare option; maintaining a job became impossible; and their marriage became untenable. God seemed no longer to be providing . . . The wife found another man, the husband suffered mental collapse and inevitably lost his job. Not long after, he shot dead his wife, her boyfriend, and himself—as the children (with no one left to care for them) slept upstairs. I cannot say where the children are today (but, despite my atheism, I do hope that god is providing).

All of this could have been avoided if religious, societal, medical, and governmental forces were aligned to worry more about the living and less about zygotes and fetuses. No, I do not recognize fledgling life as life, and I never shall. Even though I can imagine many parents throwing themselves in front of a bus to save their children--or depriving themselves to feed their poor children--I do not believe they should be forced to give up their lives and their futures for the unborn. “Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living.”

The rationale is clear, especially if you are a man: Simply ask yourself how you’d feel if you woke up tomorrow to discover that your "lovemaking" had left you pregnant—and your life would never be the same--and especially not what you may have hoped it would be. You’d be on the next flight to the abortion clinic. Now imagine that all the clinics are closed—and your neighbors deem you immoral for “opening your legs.” Worse, they can now earn monetary rewards for reporting your backstreet-abortion efforts to the authorities. I’ll bet more men would be shooting themselves.

So, in short, worry about your own damned bodies, and your own moral code, and leave parenting (and the decision not to parent) to the parents. For, in all too many cases, God does not provide--and neither do you, and neither does society. And, even if you're convinced that your god has the moral authority to prescribe what's good for "human" life, you do not have that authority. I know a dozen women who had abortions when they were young, all of whom had children later in life and became wonderful parents.
 
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Worded another way, perhaps: whose right is greater, a woman's (my) "right" to choose to murder her (my) unborn child, or her (my) unborn child's right to not be murdered in the (my) womb.
The word "my" rightfully indicates that you have the right to decide what goes on in "your" womb--for you and your offspring. In fact, ALL WOMEN should continue to have those basic, personal rights!

That is why you, nor anyone else, has the right to decide what goes on in other women's wombs . . . especially not based on "your" religious/moral beliefs. By doing so, you debase the independence and self-governance of women, along with their own spiritual beliefs.
 
The word "my" rightfully indicates that you have the right to decide what goes on in "your" womb--for you and your offspring. In fact, ALL WOMEN should continue to have those basic, personal rights!

That is why you, nor anyone else, has the right to decide what goes on in other women's wombs . . . especially not based on "your" religious/moral beliefs. By doing so, you debase the independence and self-governance of women, along with their own spiritual beliefs.
The reason I used "my" was to indicate, in that particular post, that I am a female and to clear up some confusion that another expressed due to the wording I used of an earlier post.
 
Birth control- nope
Prenatal care- nope
Payed family leave- nope
Childcare- nope
Social services for struggling families- nope
Hypocrisy- Fuck Yea!!
You make some pretty bold claims if you are indicating that I, and many others against abortion, are against all of the above.
 
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Yes, thanks, I understood that. But my reasoning remains the same.
You have expressed you "...do not recognize fledgling life as life, and (you) never shall". Based on science (and, I feel I have a pretty good handle on science as I have a B.S. in Animal Sciences, am a certified science teacher in one of the states it is generally the most difficult to become certified to teach in, and have taught life science, biology, and human anatomy & physiology...in addition to being an ISA Certifed Arborist[emoji2400] (PD-2845A))I believe life begins at conception. Therefore, I will continue to ask the question "Who has the right to choose to murder an innocent human that happens to be located in any womb?". The entire abortion debate really boils down to the simple question: Do you think all innocent humans have a right to not be murdered? My answer is yes. If you are for legalized abortion, your answer is no,. That's it. That's the entire debate.
 
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Yet a large majority of conservatives continually vote against legislation involving any of the above. If conservative voters actually gave fuck about the issues I listed then they would place people at both the state and federal level who would represent those values... sadly they don’t. Why is that?
Often a piece of legislation is a conglomoration of many moving parts rather than one singular issue. I hypothesize that people who are voted in at both the state and federal level will vote against a piece of legislation if there is something in the particular bill that wouldn't align with a value they, or their consituents, hold, even if they may agree with other parts of it. Pieces of legislation that are introduced should not be so complex and full of "pet projects" deep in the proposed bill.
 
Don't overlook the fact that making abortion illegal will not stop abortions. No more than Prohibition stopped alcohol consumption.

Those with the means will simply go to another state or country where it's legal. Those without the means will turn to underground providers and many women will suffer the consequences.
Women are the root of all of Man's suffering.

Let them suffer.

The good book tells us so.


@CHTjules how many Adopted children do you raise?
 
@CHTjules how many Adopted children do you raise?
The number of children I am raising, adopted or biological, is personal and I am going to keep that private on a public forum for a whole host of reasons. Abortion is also very personal. I am certainly not going to ask another woman if she ever had an abortion, or a man if one of their intimate partners ever had an abortion due to a pregnancy conceived with him. Abortion is not only personal to the two people who conceived the child, but it is very personal to the innocent unborn human who was murdered as a result.
 
A truly Pathetic answer, but you already know that. If the issues I listed really mattered to you and your ilk your actions would represent that. Sadly they don’t.
Please expand on what you know about my actions, then. I am disheartened you seem to blatantly disregard the time and thought I put into explaining my answer simply by calling it "pathetic".
 
@CHTjules

I never asked about of you've had an abortion.

How many gifts have you adopted, as, unless i an mistake, you oppose choice to carry a pregnancy?




If someone is opposed to hunger, and wants to walk the talk, they provide for those in need.


If you're opposed to choices, pony- up.
 
@CHTjules

I never asked about of you've had an abortion.

How many gifts have you adopted, as, unless i an mistake, you oppose choice to carry a pregnancy?




If someone is opposed to hunger, and wants to walk the talk, they provide for those in need.


If you're opposed to choices, pony- up.
I'm not opposed to choices, especially when one takes responsiblity for their actions and choices. I am, however, opposed to murdering an innocent human in the womb.
 
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You have excpressed you "...do not recognize fledgling life as life, and (you) never shall". Based on science (and, I feel I have a pretty good handle on science as I have a B.S. in Animal Sciences, am a certified science teacher in one of the states it is generally the most difficult to become certified to teach in, and have taught life science, biology, and human anatomy & physiology...in addition to being an ISA Certifed Arborist®) I believe life begins at conception. Therefore, I will continue to ask the question "Who has the right to choose to murder an innocent human that happens to be located in any womb?". The entire abortion debate really boils down to the simple question: Do you think all innocent humans have a right to not be murdered? My answer is yes. If you are for legalized abortion, your answer is no,. That's it. That's the entire debate.
Thanks for your perspective! While I disagree, I appreciate what you’re saying and how you’re saying it.
 

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