If you were to have a second harness (for friends & colleagues)

[Zebco Kid]

Hello All,

I climb with a Petzl Sequoia. It's the only saddle in which I have spent a significant amount of time.

I have plenty of climbing gear with the exception of a second saddle. I would like to acquire a second saddle so I can turn friends and colleagues onto tree climbing.

The question is...as a second saddle that offers all the a new climber needs (I would like it to have lower and upper D's), is there a affordable/comfortable choice. It will spend most of its days in a bin, waiting for the next inspired friend/colleague, so breaking the bank isn't super exciting...unless of course it's going to replace the Sequoia...which sounds kind of fun in a selfish way.

Thank you for your thoughts.

 

[Steve-o]

I"d go with one that has "one size fits most" construction. Maybe Treemotion on sale though.

 

[Matias]

If you're trying to turn people on, I don't see a cheaper harness being the way to go. I would say that if you've used 50% of the life of your saddle, get yourself a freshie of whatever you've been lusting after, and let folks use that sequoia, as it's a fantastic saddle for rec climbing. I have a used sequoia with loads of life left on it that I am wanting to sell so I can justify buying something with a bigger backpad for work, as I have been doing more and more removals. If you're interested, I can send pictures and you can name your price.

 

[Zebco Kid]

Matias....I like your approach. I will explore a "freshie". If I'm going to be the customer...I'd like to try something new (for the fun of it). Now begins that wormhole of a search/research. Eek!

Thank you.

David

 

[Matias]

Good advice to upgrade your current harness and let the unsuspecting guest use the high mileage one.

I can't tell if you're serious, or calling out my less than ideal idea for what it is...

 

[oldoakman]

Matias....I like your approach. I will explore a "freshie". If I'm going to be the customer...I'd like to try something new (for the fun of it). Now begins that wormhole of a search/research. Eek!

Thank you.

David

Christmas is almost here. A lot of my gear has come from birthday and Christmas gifts to myself.

 

[Acerxharlowii]

MCRS or valiant

 

[rico]

No brainer. Find a new or used Treemotion S.light.

 

[Shadowscape]

No brainer. Find a new or used Treemotion S.light.

Then give that Sequoia to your guest.

 

[ClimbingTN]

I love my Sequoia 2019 Regular not SRT. I can sit in it all day. Since I mostly rec climb, I want the most comfortable saddle I can get. I think your guest needs to be comfortable or they will probably not be very interested in the hobby. I really don’t think 2 sets of Ds are required for rec climbing. I do use both if working a tree. When I’m rec climbing I’m just hanging out enjoying the view not so much work positioning. I say don’t go cheap. I have a cheap one and it’s not that fun to climb in. My 2 cents. Craig

 

[Zebco Kid]

Thank you, everyone for your generous thoughts and commentaries. I went with a Treemotion S.light. I think it will work nicely. I like the wide range of sizing options in one harness (for this application…friends/colleagues.

I really appreciate everyone.

With gratitude,

David

 

[moss]

If you're trying to turn people on, I don't see a cheaper harness being the way to go. I would say that if you've used 50% of the life of your saddle, get yourself a freshie of whatever you've been lusting after, and let folks use that sequoia, as it's a fantastic saddle for rec climbing. I have a used sequoia with loads of life left on it that I am wanting to sell so I can justify buying something with a bigger backpad for work, as I have been doing more and more removals. If you're interested, I can send pictures and you can name your price.

Good comments Matias!

I have a small pile of New Tribe harnesses in various sizes. In a pinch any of them will do for me or a beginner/new climber for their first time in a tree. It's all about being in the tree. Remember not to get hung up too much on gear for a first timer. You just want it safe and comfortable. They'll see you climbing in your Sequoia with all its "features" and will get a sense of what's ahead if they want to try again.

Holy crap, I once introduced a 70 year-old man to his first rope and harness tree climb. He was a life-long gymnast, he and his wife are serious ballroom dance teachers. Still in incredible shape. I had him in a New Tribe Basic harness. He was freaking all over the tree! He barely needed a rope and harness his movement and strength were impressive, like a big cat. The harness was irrelevant just as long as it was safe and reasonably comfortable for hang times. He was doing minimal hang time. I had to dial him back, he was leaving too much slack in his system. I lost count of how many times I said "Tighten up!". He got it eventually. I don't believe he's climbed a tree rope and harness since but he loved it.

That said, I'm currently mentoring several climbers. One of them doesn't have their own gear set yet, working on it. For that climber with 5 or 6 climbs under their belt, I strip my newer TM down, do some simple adjustments and give it to them with a minimum of gear on it, they don't need all that work stuff. I wear one of several back-up semi-retired harnesses. Fully inspected, all bridges, critical webbing etc updated as needed. Pads pretty worn but still good enough for me to climb in. That's one way.
-AJ

 

[evo]

@Zebco Kid @Matias
I have a basically unused TM lite that I’d be willing to let go of. It’s the older style single bridge.

If you two work something out for the sequoia hit me up if you want to chat about my TM

 

[Matias]

Sounds like he got himself a brand new one on order already, but I am gonna show mine to a friend on Friday and I'll let you know

 

[ATH]

Is the tree motion light easier to adjust in the regular tree motion? That's my only complaint with my true motion, is how hard it is to adjust...

For an easy to adjust, comfortable, fitting a wide range, and decent price, I really like a singing rock Timber 3D harness.

 

[Friedrich]

Is the tree motion light easier to adjust in the regular tree motion? That's my only complaint with my true motion, is how hard it is to adjust...

For an easy to adjust, comfortable, fitting a wide range, and decent price, I really like a singing rock Timber 3D harness.

yes, easy to adjust and the buckles stay were they are

 

[Matias]

A glowing endorsement of a German product by a German climber...

 

[rico]

Is the tree motion light easier to adjust in the regular tree motion? That's my only complaint with my true motion, is how hard it is to adjust...

For an easy to adjust, comfortable, fitting a wide range, and decent price, I really like a singing rock Timber 3D harness.

The only adjustment difference of the S.light is that there are no buckles on the waist and leg straps, otherwise they are identical in how you setup/adjust them. Many find the lack of buckles and step through design of the S. Light a deal breaker, but I personally feel it is a much more comfy saddle than the regular TM. My 3 favorite saddles in no particular order - TreeMo S.light, Matt Cornell Rope Saddle, and the Monkey Beaver.

 

[moss]

@Zebco Kid @Matias
I have a basically unused TM lite that I’d be willing to let go of. It’s the older style single bridge.

If you two work something out for the sequoia hit me up if you want to chat about my TM

I’m interested in the single bridge TM Lite if no one else is!

Hit me up.
-AJ

 

[Zebco Kid]

Well, I made the purchase last night online, and the company called me today to say that the saddle was no longer available. The only one that they said was available was the more expensive version. I will continue to search for an excellent quality, economic, And versatile saddle.