I will use climbing pants now!!!!!

Steve Connally

Been here much more than a while
40 feet up in a pine last saturday and I don't know how I did it but ended up with the 200T across my knee. 26 stitches and luckily no tendon or dmamge to the joint capsule. Seemed like the longest repel of my life. Bandaged it up, finished the job and spent 5 hours in the er. Needless to say I have already gottem my SIP 5.1 pants. Just have to wait to heal until I can use them. That $250 per day I pay the sub contract climber really hurts more than the cut did!

I get the dumbass of the month award this month! /forum/images/graemlins/bangtard.gif
 
In the uk it is rare to see anyone working with a saw without a pair. It always seems strange looking at all the clips etc of you guys wearing jeans! I would feel naked without saw protection.

Glad to hear that u have done no permenant damage and i hope u heal soon. I am in a similar position after a cut to my upper arm and paying a climber stings real bad.

pete
 
arborcare1, sorry to hear about your knee. Like pete, I feel naked without saw pants on. Here in Saskatchewan they are manditory on the ground, but not in the tree. I was just wondering which knee that you hit, and what you where doing (as far as cutting) when your injury happened?

Let it heal, and stay safe!!!
 
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No caca! Dayum! It's good you weren't cut worse, good luck healing up!
 
Hope you heal real quick, glad to here no tendon damage. Thanks for sharing I always need to remember how dangerous this job is. I've been pretty [use a better word] lucky in my career maybe about time I get some of them pants -- some of them are so gay looking though.

Pretty smart computer but come on "dam"? If I spelt it wrong it's not smart enough /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
arborcare1, sorry to hear the news, I hope you can relax and heal up fast then get back in the trees.

tnt, I can't believe you are reluctant to wear saw protection because of how they look. Who are you trying to impress, your future wife, the treeowner, yer boss? There are saw pants that look cool, I prefer the robo-logger look of chaps and complete helmet system w/faceshield and muffs. The chaps are great cuz you can easily take them off for chipping,driving,lunch,etc. on hot days.

oh, and they look really cool too! /forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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I am in a similar position after a cut to my upper arm and paying a climber stings real bad.

pete

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I'm sorry to hear about both accidents.

I think Pete's arm cut does prove a point though and that point is that chain saw protective clothing has it's limits. What is next? Arm chaps? Whole body chaps?
 
You may laugh but protective sleeves( cover up to the elbow) and jackets (cover arms and shoulders) are available in uk and europe. IMO The jackets are practically impossible to work in as they are too restrictive and hot, but the sleeves are gaining in favour amoungst some parts of the climbing comunity. As for chaps they are seldom used to climb in as they always seem to get snagged or rotate around the leg.
Again i re itterate my point why dont you all wear chainsaw pants? (because we dont have too is not an acceptable answer?)
 
Hope to see the new pfanners in Augsburg.

Don't be too hard on yourself aboot the dumbass award. I won it back in december by getting 12 stitches in my left hand and 2 tendons stitched. Best wishes on a speedy recovery.

I love the Pfanners (StretchAir) but the would be way too hot for a Texas summer IMHO. The Stihl chainsaw pants in Australia are much thinner and cooler. Maybe a thought for you warm weather guys...?
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Hope for the speedy recovery arborecare 1. We all have war stories that we all can tell another day, I had myself 8 stiches in my lower leg from a dumbarse thing I did, and lesson learned was chaps or pants. You learned and now you have a cool war wound to tell folks.
 
Treedimensional,
I was about 30 feet up taking a 12" nub off a pine. I was holding the num with my left hand and cutting with my right. I didn't want to drop up on a nice Hydrangea so my intention was to push it and give it some incentive to go in the oposite direction of the plant. Well I pushed and I think it pushed the saw down and it hit my right knee. On the bright side I had broken my finger(not tree work) and had to have it operated on because my knuckle exploded and they had to put a pin in. What is the good side you ask? Well atleast I had already lined up the climber so being broken and lame didn't come as a surprise. Plus the climber is faster than I am so I have been working his [use a better word] off to get my $$ worth out of him! /forum/images/graemlins/kos.gif I do hate being the ground guy! Dragging brush with 1 bad knee and 1 hand sucks. I was also the errand boy and had to make all the dump runs. I thought owning the company had it's benefits!
 
Glad to hear that you should heal up just fine.

Also glad to hear that it sounds like you know now what went wrong, at first you mentioned you didn't know what happened (that scares me when people say that).

I don't wear protective pants in climbing and I'm glad our government still gives us the choice, so far.

I do understand that no matter how high our skill level is with a saw, that a unique circumstance can happen, resulting in a cut to the leg.

But I feel that most cuts are due to the operator making a mistake, cutting in a dangerous way, or/and especially following through with the saw after the cut.

I think a person should be able to choose to decide if they should wear the pants or not. If they are a risky cutter and they are too dumb to wear the pants, then they can deal with the damage they cause to themselves. Or if you want to wear them just in case..... that's great, wear them. Or if you are a boss or a forman and you feel the climber should use the pants, then you should inforce it because it would impact the companies injured workers insurance (and the industries insurance for that matter).

I don't wear the protective pants in the tree, I do often cut with one hand, I do leave my saw running and the chain brake off. I do climb basically 5 days a week for about 9 to 10 months out of the year. I do own the company.

I use a stihl 020 and 200+ with 14" bars most of the time. 440 and 460 on the blocking off of bigger wood.

I'm sure I will have some good responses from many of you limp wristed, hot pants wearin' fellas on this one. /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I'm being funny here /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif. But seriously, we can debate this.

Now that work is really busy, I don't get on the buzz very often, but I'll try. At least, next weekend. I doubt that we will solve anything or change anyones strong opinion, but...

My suggestion; if you find you are a person that tends to follow through with a cut now and then, then wear as much protective stuff as you can. What I mean is, if you cut a limb and sometimes the saw nicks the next limb, or if you cut on the ground and the saw sometimes goes through and nicks the dirt, or if you cut on the chipper tray and you bump the steel tray, then you are a person that should really be using as much protective stuff as you can, or maybe find another job.

It comes down to saw control and the ability to see what might happen and take action to avoid it.

Me, I feel that saw pants in the tree would cause me to perform less, be overheated, and be irritated and therefor less safe in other ways. I honestly feel that there is no greater risk in me cutting my leg then me cutting my neck or other un-protected body part.

now watch me cut my leg this week.............

I do wear chaps while on the ground. But I do it as a good example, cause I make my guys wear them and I WANT my guys to wear them. They are all good skilled saw users, but I do see mistakes, particularly people following through with a saw or cutting off limbs with the top of the bar near the tip. They don't make mistakes often, but I do see them and I want those chaps on them in case I'm not near them to stop what they are doing.

I myself, kinda hate the chaps. I tend to run in whatever I do. At least 3 times in say these past 3 years, I have fallen hard due to my toe catching in the chap on my next leg. I have never nicked a chap or article of my clothing. Therefor, so far, the chaps have caused me more harm then good. I do like the chaps for the safe image they give, for winter warmth, and for biar protection. If I'm constantly felling and bucking up trees, I would like to have them for safety though, as I may get sloppy.

I also think scars from a saw are not something to brag about. It shows you did something stupid. Unless that is, you got it from stoping the Texas chain-saw massacre guy.
 
In Nova Scotia it is law to wear chaps or saw pants whether cutting on the ground or running a saw in a tree. I've worked in the tree industry in various parts of Canada and Europe and have always worn protective pants. I've never had a problem with over-heating, discomfort or the feeling that I look like a git while wearing them. I'm still trying to figure out why it is not regulation to wear them worldwide when running a chainsaw. No offence, Xman, but we're all human and we all eventually make mistakes. (My father was an orthopaedic surgeon and did his time in the ER and insisted that the chainsaw was by far the most devastating power tool out there.)

I've seen chainsaw wounds where awesome cutters were involved...it just makes sense. If you're going to wear all the other PPE, why not the pants. Besides, there are some fairly advanced, light-weight, stretchable, breathable protective pants out there at an affordable price.
 
Xman. I do take full responsibility for my mistake/accident. I could have been preventable and I will never forget my mistake. Just glad I dodn't do more damamge. I personally will wear pants now because I'm a little gun shy at this point. Call me a baby but just the facts! Thanks for your opinion! /forum/images/graemlins/boidchick.gif
 

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