I Need advice !!!

Life has been good to me, and I was in a position to give something back and do storm tree relief work after Katrina.
I have a crane, older bucket truck, and some top notch climbers who rotated weeks with me.
My question is about understanding value. I took down a 100 plus foot pine with a four foot diameter stump. It was in a back yard with no access so everything was done by hand. We carried everything to the road as fema picked up debri and raked up backyard before we left.
The tree had a large "canker" that ate into the center of the tree about 10 feet up.
This tree didn't fall into the parameters of what I would do for free. The homes that the tree covered where $500,000.00 homes. The landing was small. No power lines. I charged $2500.00 One nieghbor paid $1000.00 and the other[who's prop the tree was on] verbaled over the phone to pickup the rest. The canker was on the side of the man who paid the $1000.00
Now that the job is done he doesn't want to pay. I'll live. My question is he claims we overcharged, maybe. What is fair?
 
I don't know what the law says about it, but if you agreed upon a price before hand, then there's no such thing as over charging. How can HE know what YOUR time is worth. The ol' "well my neighbor got a tree taken down for $500" is worthless in court.

Calculate your time spent there, in man hours, configure in machinery, and there's your cost.

love
nick
 
Greetings Tom,
The value of the takedown. In truth, what is fair is what I need help in establishing.
I priced the takedown and removal based on what I've heard fair is. Your view would be highly appreciated.
I like the way you used the fruit salad illustration
 
Time and materials, like Nick said, is a good way to go.

Some cities contract for tree removal based on diameter inches. You might ask the city forester/arborist for the contract price.

Have you done a similar removal in the past? Use those prices to justify the current price.
 
Location of canker irrelevant to price of takedown. It might have a lot to do with appraised value.

Verbal over the phone is a contract that you should vigorously enforce. If you let him screw you because you don't need the money and are a nice guy, then he will screw some other sap who is poor just the same.
 
For any sizable jobs we make sure we have signatures from tree owners, unless they are a trusted and regular client. Still, it's difficult to force payment after a verbal agreement.

It sounds though as if you are the one losing out and should definitely have upped the value.
 
Greetings Guymayor,
I only mention the canker and it's location as I've heard that if a tree goes down that people were previously aware had a problem, the onus of resposiblity is on the owner.
All input helps a lot. Thanks
 
The reference to prior knowledge of a condition is true, but the only way you could find out about that is through a lawyers digging. Sounds to me like your getting screwed and taking this joker to court on the principal issue may only result in more lost time. You could win, but does the lost time wash it out? Sounds to me like you need to resolve this face to face. Chances are... if the joker lives in a $500,000 home, he knows how business is done.

If not, kill all his trees at 2 a.m.
 
Agree w the Dr. The prior knowledge deal can come into play only if that knowledge is documented. When I had Tom D. here we saw trees presenting a clear and present danger to my client's property. I told the guy face to face politely and he refused to deal with it.

I then sent a certified letter documenting the hazard to him, the mayor, the town attorney and the local town councilman. Trees were gone in 2 days.

Canker to the heart is not necessarily high risk, and not always a hazard that it would be negligent to ignore. You gotta look at a lot of other factors to make it a clear call for removal.

I don't know what your time is worth but you're fighting over $1500. and it costs under $100 to file in small claims court. It's worth your while to go after him, if the face to face does not result in a settlement.
 
here's the letter, btw I also copied the insurance co's.




... REPORT 060114

ASSIGNMENT
I was asked to look at trees behind ..., Apex NC 27502 and write a letter documenting any hazard that they pose to that property.

OBSERVATIONS
A southern red oak, Quercus falcata has uprooted. Approximately half of its roots have broken and pulled out of the ground. It is leaning on a post oak, Quercus stellata. The post oak trunk is heavily bent, and shows signs of cracking. AT 88 pounds per linear foot and 50 feet long, the red oak trunk weighs 4400 pounds. At 48 pounds per linear foot and 40 feet long, the post oak trunk weighs 1920 pounds.1 Together these two trunks weigh over three tons, not including branches. When they fail, this mass will tend to create a domino effect, taking down a dead pine tree in their path as well as a tall living pine and other trees.
The oaks themselves are likely to crush the ... fence and shrubbery, and if the domino effect occurs, the ... home may be damaged by the other trees. I spoke with the owner of the trees, who told me that the oaks themselves would fall short of the house, therefore Ms. ... had “no recourse”. He told me that there was nothing he had to do because it would be an “Act of God”. It is my opinion that a landowner who has actual or constructive knowledge of a defective tree must exercise reasonable care to prevent harm.2 I also believe that a landowner is subject to liability from harm caused to others outside of his land by a known defect in the condition of the tree.3

I recommend that the owners of these hazardous trees, ..., Apex NC 27502, Wake County Account... remove the risk to their neighborhood by seeing that these trees are safely brought to the ground.
This concludes my report. I can clarify any portions of it upon request.

Sincerely Yours,

Guy Meilleur, ISA Board-Certified Master Arborist #SO-0284B
Better Tree Care Associates

1. National Park Service Conversions Chart
2. Arboriculture and the Law, Victor Merullo, 1992
3. Tree Law Cases in the USA, Lew Bloch, 2000


ASSUMPTIONS AND LIMITING CONDITIONS

1. Any legal description provided to the consultant/appraiser is assumed to be correct. Any titles and ownerships to any property are assumed to be good and marketable. No responsibility is assumed for matters legal in character. Any and all property is appraised or evaluated as though free and clear, under responsible ownership and competent management.

2. It is assumed that any property is not in violation of any applicable codes, ordinances, statutes, or other governmental regulations.

3. Care has been taken to obtain all information from reliable sources. All data has been verified insofar as possible; however, the consultant/appraiser can neither guarantee nor be responsible for the accuracy of information provided by others.
4. The consultant/appraiser shall not be required to give testimony or to attend court by reason of this report unless subsequent contractual arrangements are made, including payment of an additional fee for such services as described in the fee schedule and contract of engagement.
5. Loss or alteration of any part of this part of this report invalidates the entire report.

6. Possession of this report or a copy thereof does not imply right of publication or use for any purpose by any other than the person to whom it is addressed, without the prior express written or verbal consent of the consultant/appraiser.

7. Neither all nor any part of the contents of this report, nor copy thereof, shall be conveyed by anyone, including the client, to the public through advertising, public relations, news, sales or other media, without the prior expressed written or verbal consent of the consultant/appraiser -- particularly as to value conclusions, identity of the consultant/appraiser, or any reference to any professional society or institute or to any initialed designation conferred upon the consultant/appraiser as stated in his qualifications.

8. This report and any values expressed herein represent the opinion of the consultant/appraiser, and the consultant's/ appraiser's fee is in no way contingent upon the reporting of a specified value, a stipulated result, the occurrence of a subsequent event, nor upon any finding to be reported.

9. Sketches, diagrams, graphs, and photographs in this report, being intended as visual aids, are not necessarily to scale and should not be construed as engineering or architectural reports or surveys. Unless expressed otherwise, information contained in this report covers only those items that were examined and reflects the condition of those items at the time of inspection.
 
Greetings Guymayor, and all others,
Thanks a lot. Hope some day I can share something of value with you!
Hats off to the ones who started this forum TREEBUZZ.
I honestly thought I would never use such a thing. I read it almost everyday and have really benefited
 
1914,

Taking the time to post a question adds a lot to the forum. Heck, what would it be if people didn't ask questions? It would become nothing more than boasting and pontificating and hot air blowing off the mountains :)
 
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