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Hung up Poplar
- Thread starter stevebullman
- Start date
Fairfield
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- Location
- Bucks County pa USA
did you have a pull line on that tree at the end for the fell, or did you just cut and wait for some motion?
there was a cable on the tree attached to a tractor.....the hinge was left good and thick so the faller could get well clear
Fairfield
Participating member
- Location
- Bucks County pa USA
sweet! nothing runs like a Deer
TC
Participating member
When you were doing the fell, just as well there was no decay in the stem of the supporting tree or you would have been in trouble.
just as well then wasnt it
oh that was andy(bigA) doing the falling by the way
- Location
- victoria
nice!good sound
TC
Participating member
Steve,
Had another closer look at your climb on the hung up Poplar.........
Obviously without actually seeing the job up close I am limited to video. So there may be things I have'nt fully understood.
When I've done trees in that situation the first thing I do to make the situation safer is tie the hung up tree to the supporting tree using a releasable rope system such as the portawrap. Tie the Poplar off at at the top using a running bow then go through a natural crotch on the Beech(?) down into the portawrap then lock it off. This means that if the tree does slip down then you can continue to lower it in a controlled manner using the porty.
Thats just something I've done in the past which has given me a certain amount of peace of mind, which then means thatI can concentrate on piecing the hung up tree back without the feeling its going to collpase at any time.
That 2nd stub you cut off above your head, it nearly smacked your face, why not just go up the tree to mnake the cut at a more suitable height-waste height or lower?
Did you really need to do those one handed cuts?
Your work positioning looks pretty good, can't understand the need for one handing on those cuts yuo were making. On jobs like that i think it is important to have the left hand on yuor MS220T as this allows you to crack the brake on quickly.
Do you only have one tie in point when using the saw? If so, why? I know that its a precarious job and you might be concerned about tie in points failing but it looked as though you could have had 2 tie in points fromn the Beech at all times?
Did you get that hung up limb out of the adjacent tree?(first big limb you made a break cut then went back to cut the whole branch and it split in two)
Interesting way of dealing with that branch. Never seen that before. When your saw got jammed in the 1st cut you could have hit the brake before you pulled it out.
On the 2nd big limb you took off why do you think your saw got caught in the kerf? Did you overlap the undercut too much. I always try to come down dierctly in line with the undercut to minimise the risk of saw pull.
When you swung down the tree the Ms200T was swinging about wildly, why dont you clip it into your harness, Is it because you might melt your chainsaw pants? or damage the material with the chain as you move around the tree?
I did not realise it was not you who made the fell, but it was interesting to see him using the pushing chain for the back cut, did he feel that his best escape route was back the way towaqrds camera, if so why? Why didn't he use the pulling chain from the opposite side. My own feeling on this particular fell is that if something goes badly wrong during the fell then your flattened either way you try to escape!
The Beech was obviously very solid and in reasonably good health apart from being jumped by the Poplar?
All in all I thought it was a good climb.
Was there anyway you could have missed out the climbing and gone straight to the felling stage?
Had another closer look at your climb on the hung up Poplar.........
Obviously without actually seeing the job up close I am limited to video. So there may be things I have'nt fully understood.
When I've done trees in that situation the first thing I do to make the situation safer is tie the hung up tree to the supporting tree using a releasable rope system such as the portawrap. Tie the Poplar off at at the top using a running bow then go through a natural crotch on the Beech(?) down into the portawrap then lock it off. This means that if the tree does slip down then you can continue to lower it in a controlled manner using the porty.
Thats just something I've done in the past which has given me a certain amount of peace of mind, which then means thatI can concentrate on piecing the hung up tree back without the feeling its going to collpase at any time.
That 2nd stub you cut off above your head, it nearly smacked your face, why not just go up the tree to mnake the cut at a more suitable height-waste height or lower?
Did you really need to do those one handed cuts?
Your work positioning looks pretty good, can't understand the need for one handing on those cuts yuo were making. On jobs like that i think it is important to have the left hand on yuor MS220T as this allows you to crack the brake on quickly.
Do you only have one tie in point when using the saw? If so, why? I know that its a precarious job and you might be concerned about tie in points failing but it looked as though you could have had 2 tie in points fromn the Beech at all times?
Did you get that hung up limb out of the adjacent tree?(first big limb you made a break cut then went back to cut the whole branch and it split in two)
Interesting way of dealing with that branch. Never seen that before. When your saw got jammed in the 1st cut you could have hit the brake before you pulled it out.
On the 2nd big limb you took off why do you think your saw got caught in the kerf? Did you overlap the undercut too much. I always try to come down dierctly in line with the undercut to minimise the risk of saw pull.
When you swung down the tree the Ms200T was swinging about wildly, why dont you clip it into your harness, Is it because you might melt your chainsaw pants? or damage the material with the chain as you move around the tree?
I did not realise it was not you who made the fell, but it was interesting to see him using the pushing chain for the back cut, did he feel that his best escape route was back the way towaqrds camera, if so why? Why didn't he use the pulling chain from the opposite side. My own feeling on this particular fell is that if something goes badly wrong during the fell then your flattened either way you try to escape!
The Beech was obviously very solid and in reasonably good health apart from being jumped by the Poplar?
All in all I thought it was a good climb.
Was there anyway you could have missed out the climbing and gone straight to the felling stage?
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When I've done trees in that situation the first thing I do to make the situation safer is tie the hung up tree to the supporting tree using a releasable rope system such as the portawrap. Tie the Poplar off at at the top using a running bow then go through a natural crotch on the Beech(?) down into the portawrap then lock it off. This means that if the tree does slip down then you can continue to lower it in a controlled manner using the porty.
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Ok thats a good idea.....in this situation I assessed that the poplar wasnt going to move, it was very firmly wedged by 3 forks, none of which i tampered with at all. the size that tree was if there had been any doubt in my mind wether or not it would hold i'd have looked for alternative ways of doing it.
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That 2nd stub you cut off above your head, it nearly smacked your face, why not just go up the tree to mnake the cut at a more suitable height-waste height or lower?
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It was nowhere near smacking my face, just the angle must have made it look so.
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Did you really need to do those one handed cuts?
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nope
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Do you only have one tie in point when using the saw? If so, why? I know that its a precarious job and you might be concerned about tie in points failing but it looked as though you could have had 2 tie in points fromn the Beech at all times?
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I could have had my lanyard on the beech at some points, certainly not at all times. i wasnt going to put a second tie in on the poplar. I dont always tie in twice, only when i dont feel 100% secure. I think being free to swing and avoid potential danger has as much merit as being tied in twice at times.
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Did you get that hung up limb out of the adjacent tree?(first big limb you made a break cut then went back to cut the whole branch and it split in two)
Interesting way of dealing with that branch. Never seen that before. When your saw got jammed in the 1st cut you could have hit the brake before you pulled it out.
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I got the hanger out with a throwline later. When i cut the branch there was a little side tension which made it nip the saw, at which point i came out and cut in from the other side where again it nipped. at this point the branch was cut right through but wedged against each other due to the tension on the tree the hanger was resting against. here i felt the safest option was to go back to the main fork and deal with it there. I could have taken it off in one initially but it probably would have damaged the beech tree it was going into....that was the whole point behind that.
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On the 2nd big limb you took off why do you think your saw got caught in the kerf? Did you overlap the undercut too much. I always try to come down dierctly in line with the undercut to minimise the risk of saw pull.
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Obviously the cuts werent perfect.....and apart from anything else it was a bloody big limb....what you couldn't see in the video was that i had anticipated that risk and taken the lanyard off my saw.
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When you swung down the tree the Ms200T was swinging about wildly, why dont you clip it into your harness, Is it because you might melt your chainsaw pants? or damage the material with the chain as you move around the tree?
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fair do's.....i probably could clip onto my harness more regularly than i do. i tend to clip in when i start moving too much...if im working in roughly the same vicinity and making regular cuts i'll quite often leave it swinging....you could just put it down to laziness to be honest!
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I did not realise it was not you who made the fell, but it was interesting to see him using the pushing chain for the back cut, did he feel that his best escape route was back the way towaqrds camera, if so why? Why didn't he use the pulling chain from the opposite side. My own feeling on this particular fell is that if something goes badly wrong during the fell then your flattened either way you try to escape!
The Beech was obviously very solid and in reasonably good health apart from being jumped by the Poplar?
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We inspected the Beech and agreed it was sound......that was one of the first things we did, felling aside, if it hadnt been in a good way i wouldnt have been climbing in the first place! wasnt worth saving though as the poplar had stripped so much of it when it came down. The escape route was by far the safest. it was very hard to shoot at a good enough angle to show the situation well enough. the angle i shot the video at was dead inline with the direction the tree naturally wanted to go. the reason we didnt fell it in that direction was because we would have less control...the tree would go more readily under its own weight. so we opted to fell it sideways, left a real thick hinge, andy got right out of the way and let the tractor do its stuff.
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All in all I thought it was a good climb.
Was there anyway you could have missed out the climbing and gone straight to the felling stage?
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Yep! we could have made the fell without the climb but with the risk of considerable more damage to everything else in the belt. the other option would have been to have a matador and pull the poplar butt first out of the beech tree. this would have been my preferred option. However i turned up on this job blind, we worked with what we had, and i believe got the job done in a timely and safe manner despite how the video might look.
Now, when are you going to put some video up that we can all pick to pieces?
When I've done trees in that situation the first thing I do to make the situation safer is tie the hung up tree to the supporting tree using a releasable rope system such as the portawrap. Tie the Poplar off at at the top using a running bow then go through a natural crotch on the Beech(?) down into the portawrap then lock it off. This means that if the tree does slip down then you can continue to lower it in a controlled manner using the porty.
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Ok thats a good idea.....in this situation I assessed that the poplar wasnt going to move, it was very firmly wedged by 3 forks, none of which i tampered with at all. the size that tree was if there had been any doubt in my mind wether or not it would hold i'd have looked for alternative ways of doing it.
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That 2nd stub you cut off above your head, it nearly smacked your face, why not just go up the tree to mnake the cut at a more suitable height-waste height or lower?
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It was nowhere near smacking my face, just the angle must have made it look so.
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Did you really need to do those one handed cuts?
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nope
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Do you only have one tie in point when using the saw? If so, why? I know that its a precarious job and you might be concerned about tie in points failing but it looked as though you could have had 2 tie in points fromn the Beech at all times?
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I could have had my lanyard on the beech at some points, certainly not at all times. i wasnt going to put a second tie in on the poplar. I dont always tie in twice, only when i dont feel 100% secure. I think being free to swing and avoid potential danger has as much merit as being tied in twice at times.
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Did you get that hung up limb out of the adjacent tree?(first big limb you made a break cut then went back to cut the whole branch and it split in two)
Interesting way of dealing with that branch. Never seen that before. When your saw got jammed in the 1st cut you could have hit the brake before you pulled it out.
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I got the hanger out with a throwline later. When i cut the branch there was a little side tension which made it nip the saw, at which point i came out and cut in from the other side where again it nipped. at this point the branch was cut right through but wedged against each other due to the tension on the tree the hanger was resting against. here i felt the safest option was to go back to the main fork and deal with it there. I could have taken it off in one initially but it probably would have damaged the beech tree it was going into....that was the whole point behind that.
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On the 2nd big limb you took off why do you think your saw got caught in the kerf? Did you overlap the undercut too much. I always try to come down dierctly in line with the undercut to minimise the risk of saw pull.
[/ QUOTE ]
Obviously the cuts werent perfect.....and apart from anything else it was a bloody big limb....what you couldn't see in the video was that i had anticipated that risk and taken the lanyard off my saw.
[ QUOTE ]
When you swung down the tree the Ms200T was swinging about wildly, why dont you clip it into your harness, Is it because you might melt your chainsaw pants? or damage the material with the chain as you move around the tree?
[/ QUOTE ]
fair do's.....i probably could clip onto my harness more regularly than i do. i tend to clip in when i start moving too much...if im working in roughly the same vicinity and making regular cuts i'll quite often leave it swinging....you could just put it down to laziness to be honest!
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I did not realise it was not you who made the fell, but it was interesting to see him using the pushing chain for the back cut, did he feel that his best escape route was back the way towaqrds camera, if so why? Why didn't he use the pulling chain from the opposite side. My own feeling on this particular fell is that if something goes badly wrong during the fell then your flattened either way you try to escape!
The Beech was obviously very solid and in reasonably good health apart from being jumped by the Poplar?
[/ QUOTE ]
We inspected the Beech and agreed it was sound......that was one of the first things we did, felling aside, if it hadnt been in a good way i wouldnt have been climbing in the first place! wasnt worth saving though as the poplar had stripped so much of it when it came down. The escape route was by far the safest. it was very hard to shoot at a good enough angle to show the situation well enough. the angle i shot the video at was dead inline with the direction the tree naturally wanted to go. the reason we didnt fell it in that direction was because we would have less control...the tree would go more readily under its own weight. so we opted to fell it sideways, left a real thick hinge, andy got right out of the way and let the tractor do its stuff.
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All in all I thought it was a good climb.
Was there anyway you could have missed out the climbing and gone straight to the felling stage?
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Yep! we could have made the fell without the climb but with the risk of considerable more damage to everything else in the belt. the other option would have been to have a matador and pull the poplar butt first out of the beech tree. this would have been my preferred option. However i turned up on this job blind, we worked with what we had, and i believe got the job done in a timely and safe manner despite how the video might look.
Now, when are you going to put some video up that we can all pick to pieces?
- Location
- Ontario, Canada
Nice job Steve, that was a good size.
Try not to turn your back on those killers.
You look very seasoned up there.
Try not to turn your back on those killers.
You look very seasoned up there.
- Location
- victoria
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Nice sound track, I like it much better than the usual metal or hair band stuff. I dont think I have ever heard Cube on a tree vid, but it works, nice job.
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True i thoughts so myself.
I did a similar job a little while back probably the highest $$$/time ive ever made with a chainsaw.I did think about putting a cable up to join the trees together but since the worst case senario would have been just clipping a house if it went100% wrong,So i just dropped it being an older very straight grained gum the biggest risk was a part "slabbing"out the back when the back cut went in IMO it wasnt a nice spot to be at the time but as all tree guys know its all about the $$$$
Nice sound track, I like it much better than the usual metal or hair band stuff. I dont think I have ever heard Cube on a tree vid, but it works, nice job.
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True i thoughts so myself.
I did a similar job a little while back probably the highest $$$/time ive ever made with a chainsaw.I did think about putting a cable up to join the trees together but since the worst case senario would have been just clipping a house if it went100% wrong,So i just dropped it being an older very straight grained gum the biggest risk was a part "slabbing"out the back when the back cut went in IMO it wasnt a nice spot to be at the time but as all tree guys know its all about the $$$$
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TC
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Do like me steve, and put the little twerp on ignore. it stops you having to read his incessant yapping
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Thanks a lot Ed. Your such a nice guy.
Do like me steve, and put the little twerp on ignore. it stops you having to read his incessant yapping
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Thanks a lot Ed. Your such a nice guy.
TC
Participating member
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It was nowhere near smacking my face, just the angle must have made it look so.
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Yes, but you look slighty rushed, dont you think? or am I wrong. Steve I do stuff like that myself, usually when I am rushing, its one of the biggest problems in treeclimbing. All you needed to do was swing round clockwise and step up once or twice.
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I dont always tie in twice, only when i dont feel 100% secure.
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So what happens if you cut through your climbing line with your MS 200T?
You could have had 2 tie in points from the beech using a longer secondary lanyard or shorter climbing rope?
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Obviously the cuts werent perfect.....and apart from anything else it was a bloody big limb....what you couldn't see in the video was that i had anticipated that risk and taken the lanyard off my saw.
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I would not be taking my lanyard off the saw, no way. You could have made the branch narrower by cutting an open mouthed notch on one side. This would have given you more scope for accuracy. Or used a bigger saw.
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fair do's.....i probably could clip onto my harness more regularly than i do. i tend to clip in when i start moving too much...if im working in roughly the same vicinity and making regular cuts i'll quite often leave it swinging....you could just put it down to laziness to be honest!
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Lets face it, with the cost of chainsaw protection I can see your point. When the saw is attached to the harness the teeth cut into your protective material and the exhaust can melt through the material.
I think I have seen another method of holding the saw in the harness, somewhere in another forum which stops these things happening.
Your Treehouse photos cannot be viewed by non-members and there is no way MB would let me log on over there as Ed is the Bouncer.
It was nowhere near smacking my face, just the angle must have made it look so.
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Yes, but you look slighty rushed, dont you think? or am I wrong. Steve I do stuff like that myself, usually when I am rushing, its one of the biggest problems in treeclimbing. All you needed to do was swing round clockwise and step up once or twice.
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I dont always tie in twice, only when i dont feel 100% secure.
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So what happens if you cut through your climbing line with your MS 200T?
You could have had 2 tie in points from the beech using a longer secondary lanyard or shorter climbing rope?
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Obviously the cuts werent perfect.....and apart from anything else it was a bloody big limb....what you couldn't see in the video was that i had anticipated that risk and taken the lanyard off my saw.
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I would not be taking my lanyard off the saw, no way. You could have made the branch narrower by cutting an open mouthed notch on one side. This would have given you more scope for accuracy. Or used a bigger saw.
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fair do's.....i probably could clip onto my harness more regularly than i do. i tend to clip in when i start moving too much...if im working in roughly the same vicinity and making regular cuts i'll quite often leave it swinging....you could just put it down to laziness to be honest!
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Lets face it, with the cost of chainsaw protection I can see your point. When the saw is attached to the harness the teeth cut into your protective material and the exhaust can melt through the material.
I think I have seen another method of holding the saw in the harness, somewhere in another forum which stops these things happening.
Your Treehouse photos cannot be viewed by non-members and there is no way MB would let me log on over there as Ed is the Bouncer.
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occassionally i find myself in way over my head like in this job http://gypoclimber.com/showpost.php?p=115546&postcount=1057
Oh if only i had your expertize on hand for jobs like this!
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Sorry, dont visit that forum,obvious reasons.
occassionally i find myself in way over my head like in this job http://gypoclimber.com/showpost.php?p=115546&postcount=1057
Oh if only i had your expertize on hand for jobs like this!
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Sorry, dont visit that forum,obvious reasons.
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