HUMAN.....man is still at it.... THIS dude is on something

southsoundtree said:
Stopping while behind was a not a step in the wrong direction.
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I wholeheartedly agree that since he wasn't feeling confident in his abilities that day bailing on that first tree was a solid move. For some strange reason he felt that his lack of sleep and strange headspace were gonna miraculously disappear if he moved on to another tree. That top cut is clear evidence that his troubles simple followed him right up the next tree?

I have developed a real fondness for Human and his vids, but it is clear that he sometimes has a hard time keeping his head in the game and can be prone to some lapses in judgment.

Your "roller underfoot" comment reminded me of a buddy who wanted to become a tree-man. First day on the job he was dragging some brush when he rolled his ankle on a pine cone. I was about 75 ft up in a Pine and could literally see the bottom of his foot pointed straight up in the air as he stepped on the cone a rolled his ankle. Down he went, screaming in pain, and his day and budding career as a tree-man were over. It took him a year to fully recuperate but he will forever be known as "Pine Cone" around here!
 
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rico said:
I wholeheartedly agree that since he wasn't feeling confident in his abilities that day bailing on that first tree was a solid move. For some strange reason he felt that his lack of sleep and strange headspace were gonna miraculously disappear if he moved on to another tree. That top cut is clear evidence that his troubles simple followed him right up the next tree?

I have developed a real fondness for Human and his vids, but it is clear that he sometimes has a hard time keeping his head in the game and can be prone to some lapses in judgment.

Your "roller underfoot" comment reminded me of a buddy who wanted to become a tree-man. First day on the job he was dragging some brush when he rolled his ankle on a pine cone. I was about 75 ft up in a Pine and could literally see the bottom of his foot pointed straight up in the air as he stepped on the cone a rolled his ankle. Down he went, screaming in pain, and his day and budding career as a tree-man were over. It took him a year to fully recuperate but he will forever be known as "Pine Cone" around here!
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Pine Cone....mudda rasshole dat funny as fuck
 
JeffGu said:
"...and to this day, Pine Cone Percy faints at the sight of a Christmas Tree, and runs away if he gets a whiff of PineSol household cleaner..."

That's ridiculously funny, @rico.... I bet he doesn't have any of those little Pine tree deodorizers hanging on his rearview mirror.
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Jeffgu you are a hilarious skunt
 
Maybe not a perfect pro, but someone who is determined to do a job and document it, at least. On something? Addict behavior? Why would you assume that @swingdude, just curious, I just see determination..
If you're referring to dude bouncing back from shattering his pelvis on a fall (couple/3 yrs ago maybe) and being nuts enough to climb a tree again, then yeah he may be a little cray cray :)
 
He's definitely sloppy sometimes, or even at some point virtually every video.
There are very few climbers who are always slick. I'm beginning to think that they don't exist.

When he decides to tighten up some and have "Oh shit. Why did I do that?" moments monthly rather than daily he will be as capable as almost everyone I have ever worked with.
I can say that he is willing to climb some sketchy stuff.
The vision takes time to develop.
 
SomethingWitty said:
There are very few climbers who are always slick. I'm beginning to think that they don't exist.
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Oh there are climbers out there that don't make mistakes. They are few and far between but they do exist.

I dont know August or Reg personally but I would imagine they live a fairly fuck up free work life?
 
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Nobody is slick all the time. Maybe a very high percentage, but not 100%. Maybe they don't put the awkward parts in the videos? It also helps if you don't push the envelope or try new stuff on your video. I for one am always looking for ways to do things better, try new things, new variation on old technique... it dosn't always go exactly how I want it to. But a high percentage of the time it does. When I am sticking to basics or well practiced techniques it tends to be pretty routine and my percentage of slickness is very high. And some people just never get there.

Please note, I am not defending anyone or accusing anyone of unscrupulous editing techniques or newbiness, just making a point. I haven't watched much of humans stuff and have no desire to critique over the internet. But I do like talking to you guys on the buzzzzzz.

P.s. I don't have any videos and don't have plans to make any, so I can't prove anything I say about myself. I just don't have time for that kind of stuff or much care for engaging youtube, ect.
 
samsquatch said:
Maybe not a perfect pro, but someone who is determined to do a job and document it, at least. On something? Addict behavior? Why would you assume that @swingdude, just curious, I just see determination..
If you're referring to dude bouncing back from shattering his pelvis on a fall (couple/3 yrs ago maybe) and being nuts enough to climb a tree again, then yeah he may be a little cray cray :)
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He is doing his job. I respect that. He just pops up on treevids in youtube regularly. I tend to watch him because I find his voice and antics hilarious. His climbing is nothing I am interested in. My circle or tight knit arbs are some of the best on the planet climbing wise. So I am not looking or judging that. The cutting is what I look at. And I find his very sloppy. You can be a mediocre climber but an amazing cutter and be a sick AF arb
Cutting is a huge part of what we do. The decision making and execution takes years to perfect. Thousands of cuts and scenarios create it. Some get it faster and some take longer but some never at all. Cutting wood aloft is what I rank high. Human has very erratic behaviour and poor decision making, his voice almost sound slurry like he is popping pills. Very rushed at times and then that slurry thing going on. Hope the pain meds ( after fall ) or his anti depressants he admitted using are not imparing him. That was where the addict comment came from
If I am wrong I apologize. However I am usually right when it comes to addiction. I have been around the track a few times. Know both sides of it. Thankfully it is behind me. I am certainly not bashing Human. Just pointing to some things if it can educate others. Dangerous work we do.
 
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Cutting is a huge part of what we do. The decision making and execution takes years to perfect. Thousands of cuts and scenarios create it. Some get it faster and some take longer but some never at all. Cutting wood aloft is what I rank high.
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Bingo!!. Climbing is the fucking easy part. For me its the cutting and rigging that separate the men from the boys.
 
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I have a climber that works for me. He is mediocre at best. Not a very good cutter. But is useful as a brush the tree out man. And easy trees. Gives my body a rest and allows me to manage the ground occasionally on bigger jobs. He is likeable so there is that. So I will never knock a person's style but I do call an ace an ace.
 
I'm with you, Rico and Swing.

True story, I tell my customers that I do 'boring tree work'. I don't rush around trying to do this, do that. It's all boring when it goes basically right to the plan.

Plan. Execute. Evaluate.

If you can't do it safely, DON'T do it, and say something. If you see something unsafe, SAY something.


Of course, there is that expression...
Good experiences come from good judgment.
Good judgment comes from bad experiences.
Luckily, most of my bad experiences were someone else's bad experiences that I witnessed.



Doing treework like you're wasted, because you're brain is wasted from lack of sleep...might as well have a 6 pack after a good night's sleep. What's different?
 
rico said:
Bingo!!. Climbing is the fucking easy part. For me its the cutting and rigging that separate the men from the boys.
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Yep, I come from a long background of rock climbing and have introduced a few very high level rock climbers to tree work. They go right up the rope and move around effortlessly. Its the process of working a tree and especially the cutting, hinging of wood and how pieces exit a tree that takes years to master. Most newbies don't understand that its all about the climbing to them. Bigger the wood the more the cutting skill needed. Seen guys do well until cuts get big, then they struggle.
 
swingdude said:
I have a climber that works for me. He is mediocre at best. Not a very good cutter. But is useful as a brush the tree out man. And easy trees. Gives my body a rest and allows me to manage the ground occasionally on bigger jobs. He is likeable so there is that. So I will never knock a person's style but I do call an ace an ace.
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I agree brush is the easy part as the wood gets bigger that's where the skill comes in. When I look at big removals I look very closely at the lower 1/3 and how the big wood will come down.
 
owScott said:
I agree brush is the easy part as the wood gets bigger that's where the skill comes in. When I look at big removals I look very closely at the lower 1/3 and how the big wood will come down.
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Yes managing big wood efficiently is a huge skillset. Climbers that get paid the dollars are laying that big wood on the ground smoothly in a timely efficient manner drama free.
 
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