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Not wearing a helmet doesn't change the fact that you did a great job, but wearing one will preserve your ability to keep doing a great job! And OSHA will fine each crew member $750 for not wearing one if they see you. I think that this would be a perfect time to start wearing one from start to finish on every job (just an opinion here). You are not alone with this, but I'd like to see the day when we are all complying on every job.
 
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Hey dude- not to keep kicking a dead horse, I'd just like to reiterate what those guys said (and it sounds like you already know) about helmets. When I started 20 years ago, no one I knew wore helmets, I never even thought of it. I got knocked a bit on the head but never hurt. After four years, I finally started wearing one. The first week I was wearing one, I was dropping a balsam poplar and as it fell through other trees, a big chunk was flung back. I was watching the tree drop and stepping back, but the three-inch dead limb hit me right on the helmet, if I hadn't been wearing it...
My best friend was doing tree work in on the other side of the country. I had been trying for months to get him to wear a helmet, but he didn't think it was necessary. Someone threw a limb out of a tree while he walked nearby, and it fractured his skull. He was out of work for a few months, and has a big scar on his head now. He really is lucky he's not dead.
We work with heavy sharp instruments and big heavy hard chunks of wood.
Not to mention it's loud, and not wearing hearing protection can ruin your ability to enjoy music or conversation. Sorry, though, you're a big boy and it's your life. But I'm sure you also know better, and you should do what you know is right.
Also, looks like excellent work.
 
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Just so you all know we were wearing ear protection. We use disposable ear plugs.

And I honestly do appreciated all the warnings about not wearing helmets.
 
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Cool. And don't take it the wrong way or get defensive, because most of us who have been doing this for decades have all seen the times where we too avoided hard hats or eye protection. Soon we'll be saying the same thing about chainsaw pants and chaps!
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I am not taking it at all personally. I require ear and eye protection, and I do make helmets availible. And like I said I do agree that I should require them, but I do personally hate wearing them.

I do know accidents happen. Probably about 4 months ago we tip tied a small extremely dead tulip poplar tree. We had set the lines with a throwing line. During the process of lowering the tree we heard a snap, we both thought it was the tree we were lowering. But it wasn't...the lowering line had went over a 2-3" diameter dead limb. It snapped and struck my friend in the head (was about 30' up). He got 4 stictches and a trip to the hospital.

It was a accident of carelessness. I had seen the limb when I set the line. But forgot to mention it to my friend, plus I figured he would look up and see it himself.
 
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Just think about it like this, you already wear hearing protection and the noise can only harm your hearing over years and years of exposure. Now, one hit in the head and you are off to a hospital or worse. Maybe it's time?
 
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One way to be happy about wearing helmets is to get real nice ones and make sure they are all the same make and colour. That way if someone is not wearing his he looks out of place. You could add company logo on it too and make it feel like uniform not just boring old helmet.

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We all use these on the ground, personal preference is allowed in the tree but mostly we use petzl vertex black, and it makes us look proffessional.

I keep a spare one for any extra workers too.


AND I just worked out how to embed a picture!!!!
 
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I love that avatar of yours Rupe. Is it a design of yours? Its very distinctive.
 
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T shirts coming soon!!

I bought the design a few years ago and have still not got round to doing much with it! Screen printing is quite expensive as its a complicated desing and apparently the white needs printing twice so that makes it a four colour print process!!

Transfers are now much better quality than before so looking to go down that route.

The image above is low res so hopefully no one can use it for much. I have the original full res images and three seperate images (one for each color) for screen printing.

It came from a company called "rock designs" they made t shirts with skinny characters climbing on the moon and various other things. "I like to climb" was a popular slogan on their t shirts.

You may have seen them in the Cotswold shop in betys-y-coed many years ago! I bought a shirt with this design on it in 1994/5 ish! No idea why the chainsaw for rock climbing but it suited me well.

Any way they went bust and I contacted the original design company and bought the design under exclusive licence to me!
 
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Nice bit of forward thinking!

We are known quite well to the cotswold shop in Betws-y-Coed!

They stock shirts now with 'life is good' slogans and pictures; similar theme to what you're talking about. I bought Dee quite a few. Makes me wonder if its the same bunch re-born?

I don't see it as a public/pro interfacing logo, but i'm sure you could use it for arb leisure wear, transfers etc. Sounds like thats your plan?
 
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Yeah, he's definatly not my company logo! More of a company mascot. He appears on my envelopes and business cards and will be on the truck etc but only in a small way just for fun. The lack of PPE could be seen as a problem! Ok for rec climbing stuff like you say but then why the chainsaw?

Too good a design to miss out on though, just got to decide exactly what to do with it.

First batch of transfer t shirts are being collected today, I'll see what they are like.

BTW I used to work for Cotswold! Did a year in london then managed the shop in Reading for a short time. Did a short spell in Betys (only had the small shop back then) but only as a temporary fill in. Jerry Gore was the manager back then, I'm sure you would remember him, quite a character! First brit to climb the troll wall in winter, also made a terrible video of climbing the White cliffs of dover using ice tools!
 
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Mark, I wear chainsaw pants in the winter- but one summer workin in D.C. I tried to wear them - nearly died of heat exhaustion just walking from my house to the car! which was about 30 ft from the front door!
Need mork work done on this area of arb safety.
 
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Rupe, are those helmets actually black, if so this is a bad idea you need to be wearing bright colored helmets!

I worked with a crew who wore dark green helmets and green t-shirts - very good camoflage if you dont want to be seen.

Nearly dropped big wood on one of them one time!

If i'm up a tree I want to see the groundies.

Sell the helmets if they're black
 
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Good point, but, the black (petzl) ones are for climbing only. On the ground we use the orange ones pictured above. (sorry, wasn't very clear, its us all wearing the same orange ones that makes us look proffesional)

Also groundies wear long sleeved hi viz jackets if I can't see them without.
 
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I feel better now i know your groundies are a bit safer1

Is the petzl vertex that weird one with the hard polystyrene insert like a mountain bike helmet?
 
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Very Nice!

I'm still using a 6 year old Petzl ecrin roc
Can you fit visor and ear defs. to it?
 
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Its designed for earmuffs - better than the ecrin rock in that respect (industrial design), and lighter.
 
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Yep. Here it is in black with ear defenders. They fit straight on, with no need for those metal brackets.

I think you'll find petzl have only a 5 year life. I'm sure a more knowledgeable tree nerd will correct me on that. Laz?
 

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