how is this obama care going to work for you?

I thought the idea was to provide your employee's with work, having them covered under a comp policy so they are insured on the job, and then paying them enough so they can decide for themselves if they wanted to buy their own health care for themselves and/or their family.

Punishing success in America seems to be a growing trend.

How is Obama care going to work for me Jeff? Well, for now, just higher taxes, for later I could only assume sub-par work done by health care physicians.

Excluding our Military, what government agency provides a higher level of service, or is more efficient than the private entity? My fear is that government run hospitals will follow this sub-par trend. Americans will have longer waiting lists for more serious injuries, and everyone and their mother will go in for an ear ache, but we all pay for it. ALL, as in all the people that pay taxes.

What about all of the losers that don't? You know, the people that leech off the government; food stamps, WICK, housing, welfare, ect.. I guess I have to work a little harder to pay for all of their handouts. Oh well.

I never wanted to sign up to take care of people that can't take care of themselves. You give a little and they take a lot. I've gone through dozens of employee's in my short career, reason being... the pussification of America has lead to grown men with a splinter, claiming disability - people don't want to work when they can live just fine for free.

Oh well, that shouldn't change your mindset Jeff, work harder, study more, and remember that if you were to bet on anyone, your best off betting on yourself. Don't get mad, get even... remember, loopholes are legal.

Obama is president, we socialize our country, and undergo a financial collapse.
or

Romney is your man and we go to war with Iran!
 
first of all i apologize for calling anyone anything.
I am very human after all and my sharp tongue/temper has always been my worst enemy.

as far as this election goes we had to choose between a fascist and a socialist. where was the candidate that represented the general population? why did none of us vote for the independent candidates? that is why they have no real traction.

I am very disappointed in our president, he has not followed thru with anything other than sky rocketing the debt and..........

this link is another reason i don't like him:
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/11/01/obama-admin-tells-court-hobby-lobby-must-obey-hhs-mandate/

the freedom of religion is the main reason this country is as great as it is. The freedom from over taxation is another. we have got to be the most taxed people in the world now or real close. during the bush administration Harvard did a study and found that the average american pay over 80% of their income in taxes!

where is this change Obama talked about?

same crap another idiot....

being in business here is rough. i scrape out a small but meaningful living at around 15% to 20% of gross. I would love to have the cash flow to provide health care, but with my model that would require two or three crews and that requires more equipment and infrastructure. I'm working on this, but growth is slow and i am overwhelmed most of the time with running sales, doing the office work, and doing some of the work(which is the part i love) as my wife went back to work so we could afford health insurance. sometime i vent here, sorry if that offends anyone. we as americans have some real fears that about this administration. i had fears about mitts administration too, for the record.

Do i Blindly follow anything? No
Do i believe in God? Yes.
Do i believe in Christ's sacrifice? Yes.
Am i perfect? Far, far, far from it hence my need for God to die on the cross for me, even though i didn't want Him to.
I hope my tongue has not turned anyone away from Him and i hope you can forgive me if it has.
I will try to keep a closer watch on my temper and tongue, thanks for the check up guys. Jeff

P.S. It is always darkest before the dawn.
 
Bix- If you look at the facts of socialized medicine throughout the world, there is less abuse of the medical system and greater care given in the scheme of things. When people have healthcare available, there is some shift in conciousnness ( term ?) that makes them less likely to go to the ER for every little problem or when they 'get a splinter'.
America is so concerned with 'me, me, me' and not wanting to help 'them', that we sometimes forget it needs to be about 'us'.
 
Jeff, some of us did vote for someone other than Obamney -- too many have the misconception that it has to be one extreme or the other.

Simplyarbor, You can't force others to be compassionate through redistribution, privatized donations do just fine if you look at the facts. There is an epidemic in ideology that we are responsible for the poor choices of others -- that, is something that I can't rationalize. As humans, we have a natural draw to take care of those around us, but we can't do that, if we can't first take care of ourselves. There is broader care given, yes, but "greater care given" is a bold statement. Our healthcare system needs reform, yes, but when that reform encompasses laws which restrict our liberties and force higher taxation -- you have to wonder if there are other viable solutions.

Now I must climb a tree.
 
Jeff, thanks for your apology but could you now comment on the irrefutable fact that you are too small a business to be required to provide health care? And that, as was pointed out above, you can get tax rebates for doing so if you so choose? Or that obamacare offers you the opportunity to pool your employees with other small businesses to negotiate better rates?

You can't expect to be taken seriously if you simply ignore any facts you don't like. People who are opposed to obamacare almost always fail when tested on what it does and doesn't do.

And on that note:
Bixler, can you provide a citation for your statement about private donations? The only study I know about that addresses that says, "religious prosociality and charity are less effective at improving societal conditions than are secular government programs."
http://www.epjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/EP073984414.pdf
 
Apparently a lot of folks still stand by their inalienable right to die of a treatable ailment in an industrialized country. Personally, I can't wait to get myself covered. Until healthcare reform is fully implemented, the best and most affordable health care plan I've been able to figure out is to donate blood regularly in order to have my vital signs monitored, and to have my passport updated and keep enough money in the bank to fly to France if I get really sick.
 
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Apparently a lot of folks still stand by their inalienable right to die of a treatable ailment in an industrialized country. Personally, I can't wait to get myself covered. Until healthcare reform is fully implemented, the best and most affordable health care plan I've been able to figure out is to donate blood regularly in order to have my vital signs monitored, and to have my passport updated and keep enough money in the bank to fly to France if I get really sick.

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Sounds like the rant of a socialist anti-Fox News maniac.

SZ
 
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Sounds like the rant of a socialist anti-Fox News maniac.

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That sounds like a negative posting and personal slander, so just shut your dirty pie hole.
 
I cordially invite each one of you Romney/tea party "conservatives" to defend your lack of Christian charity in the Tree Free Zone where such debates should be held.

I know lots of you guys are physically big and intimidating, and therefore able to get respect from those in your presence in person, but that's not any indication of whether your intellects can bear close scrutiny with the same result?

jomoco
 
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