First Traverse

[FreeFallin]

Hmmmm, then I might have to MacGyver a coat hanger until I can order some swell magnets

 

[moss]

Thanks AJ that makes sense but brings up a question, the mini grapple looks like a light plastic thing, is it actually heavy? With an 8oz throw bag it seems like you would need something substantial to keep the bag from dragging the grapple over the limb.

I use the New Tribe Grapnel, it's made of welded steel rod, enough weight to work with a 6 oz or 8 oz throwbag. It's much lighter than 6 oz but bark friction on the destination evens things out. The throwbag needs to be heavy enough so you can feed the grapnel out, but not too heavy. The mini-grapple needs to have enough weight so you can get it swinging to grab the line above the throwbag. It all works well.
-AJ

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

Hmmmm, then I might have to MacGyver a coat hanger until I can order some swell magnets

I'm doing a little revision on those and when they're ready they will be on climbingInnovations.com

 

[FreeFallin]

I'm doing a little revision on those and when they're ready they will be on climbingInnovations.com

Can't wait to see it!

Question for you: Have you tried tossing a slightly lighter magnet over the limb on its own, and then sending a slightly heavier one after it on a loop, kind of like the grapnel technique? It seems like the weight difference would even out with the angle of the dangle and make it easy to pair them up.

I ask because I told my wife I was going to not curse so much and I am afraid that slinging 2 strings at the same time into some leafy twigs 20 feet away might challenge my resolve.

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

Can't wait to see it!

Question for you: Have you tried tossing a slightly lighter magnet over the limb on its own, and then sending a slightly heavier one after it on a loop, kind of like the grapnel technique? It seems like the weight difference would even out with the angle of the dangle and make it easy to pair them up.

I ask because I told my wife I was going to not curse so much and I am afraid that slinging 2 strings at the same time into some leafy twigs 20 feet away might challenge my resolve.

Give it a try, it does not work like a grapnel.

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

 

[evo]

Good that this clears it up some! I am not a techie but from my understanding most phones and even newer computers use solid state hard drives/memory storage. This shouldn't be confused with a magnetic hard drive on most computers. Remember the old floppy drives? Basically the same thing as a old hard drive. Rule of thumb could be is if it has a fan it could be impacted with a magnet, if not your probably alright but just blame Richard not me if you try it

 

[FreeFallin]

Here is a video showing another traverse using a homemade grapnel and two short throwlines.

Had to watch this a couple of times, if I am seeing it correctly, he is throwing the weight over the branch he wants to traverse to, then throwing the line with the grapnel to a limb just below that so when he hooks the first line it will retrieve it back under the target limb.

Is that what you guys are seeing?

 

[FreeFallin]

@yoyoman s latest video brought me back to this thread, his system is really well refined now compared to anything grapnel based I have seen.

I like your other magnet video as well @Bob Bob I have been thinking a lot on traverses lately, just bought a captain to play with as well, all good stuff.

 

[moss]

@yoyoman s latest video brought me back to this thread, his system is really well refined now compared to anything grapnel based I have seen.

I like your other magnet video as well @Bob Bob I have been thinking a lot on traverses lately, just bought a captain to play with as well, all good stuff.

Congrats on getting the DMM Captain, many hours of fun will ensue! I've recently been getting into the over-the-head back swing technique with the Hook, super effective for horizontal or upward throws, just make sure there is clearance behind and above you. And as I'm sure you've considered, be damn sure you're ready to get it if it gets stuck. Surprisingly, it rarely gets stuck unintentionally. The number one way I get it stuck is to hook it on a branch or limb that's a hair wider than the Hook radius, which is no problem because 99.9% of the time that's where you want to go anyway.
-AJ

 

[moss]

I hadn't watched this more current mag bag techniques video, super great product and ideas, thx Richard!

Gives me some ideas for achieving super long traverse anchors with the "FootShot" two separate throwlines and a couple of light mag bags, 6-8 oz weight, hmm... can't wait to get back in the trees again.
-AJ

 

[TimBr]

@moss; We will of course want to see the video. No pressure. If it were me living where you do, it wouldn't happen until next spring.

I do seriously look forward to seeing what you'll be able to manage by the combination of two great tools, though. Thanks in advance for any effort you choose to apply to this project.

Tim

 

[moss]

@moss; We will of course want to see the video. No pressure. If it were me living where you do, it wouldn't happen until next spring.

I do seriously look forward to seeing what you'll be able to manage by the combination of two great tools, though. Thanks in advance for any effort you choose to apply to this project.

Tim

I just had some surgery, I'm in good shape though, should be back in the trees in 4 weeks. In the meantime I have some gear sewing projects, so I'm happy enough. Never thought I'd miss running a chain saw, but it's true, I do.
-AJ

 

[FreeFallin]

I watched this one as well, great video, very clear to help see whats happening.

 

[moss]

I watched this one as well, great video, very clear to help see whats happening.

Yep, that's excellent, hadn't seen it. Pretty much what I was thinking of doing with a foot slingshot to get a longer range traverse target.
-AJ

 

[FreeFallin]

...with a foot slingshot...
-AJ

Picture or it doesn't exist. like the foot trebuchet I am still developing.

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

Here is a video showing another traverse using a homemade grapnel and two short throwlines.

I found it is difficult to get the branches to line up just right with that kind of technique. I use the girth hitch carabiner (after the throw) to travel the magnet to the target, I think I posted videos of that.

 

[moss]

Picture or it doesn't exist. like the foot trebuchet I am still developing.

Photos from 2010... it folds up like a jackknife, attaches to the foot with straps, throws an 8 oz bag 60'+ horizontal with good accuracy.

The whole photo album here

And the vid I made long ago before 2010 but re-posted on Vimeo 2011, first test at approx. 80', no I insist I wasn't nervous ;-)

-AJ

 

[FreeFallin]

Wow, that's awesome, I'm going to need one of those at some point. I have a few skills to build before I will be ready but what a fun way to place a line horizontally.

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

That foot slingshot looks fun. Might be painful if you had a miss fire though. A small (store bought) hand-held slingshot and some small weights might accomplish the same thing. Classic video Moss, I remember watching this several times when I was learning to climb.

I made one and called it the "Little Shot", it's ok but very difficult to get the distance Moss gets with his foot mounted model. His is also very foldable and compact. I made one of those as well from the directions he gave me but I don't think it was as nice as his. We need Moss to go into production with HIS foot mounted slingshot, it is simply THE BEST!