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ergovation
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Yea i have narrowed my new saddle choice down to ergovation or treemotion....
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Honestly I'd go with the treemotion. You can buy it through honeybros for 300 bucks. The ergo is 475 or something like that. The ergo is more comfy then the motion but not 175 dollars worth. Plus you can buy a cedaroth first aid bag and add it to the motion and get some lumbar support, not as good as the ergo in any way but it does work.
I'll be honest with you guys, the ergo is very comfy but it's more like a treemotion just stuffed with extra padding. The treemotion gang was trying to make a light competition saddle, and they nailed it. I don't notice much of a difference other then the additional padding and extra weight.
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Yeah, but what about durability. I have a petzl srt saddle and it pricey however, after only one year it is pretty hammered. So to me an extra 175 dollars for a diverse saddle that will last at least 3-5 years (look at most other buckingham saddles). Is well worth that 175 more dollars. To me in the long run your saving money. My only problem is i absolutely LOVE my petzl minus the durability issue.
So Family Tree, I have one question for you. Your called to a property where you can only bring one of your saddles. On this property you will have to do a medium sized hand take-down, crown reduction on a large oak tree, of heavy lateral limbs growing over the house. Yes, you have to climb out on the ends. Upon completion of the oak, the crane will arrive and you will have to remove a white pine, three picks..... What saddle do you bring to complete this job. I ask you because you seam to have quite a few of the newer saddles so your opinion is very valuable.
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Yea i have narrowed my new saddle choice down to ergovation or treemotion....
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Honestly I'd go with the treemotion. You can buy it through honeybros for 300 bucks. The ergo is 475 or something like that. The ergo is more comfy then the motion but not 175 dollars worth. Plus you can buy a cedaroth first aid bag and add it to the motion and get some lumbar support, not as good as the ergo in any way but it does work.
I'll be honest with you guys, the ergo is very comfy but it's more like a treemotion just stuffed with extra padding. The treemotion gang was trying to make a light competition saddle, and they nailed it. I don't notice much of a difference other then the additional padding and extra weight.
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Yeah, but what about durability. I have a petzl srt saddle and it pricey however, after only one year it is pretty hammered. So to me an extra 175 dollars for a diverse saddle that will last at least 3-5 years (look at most other buckingham saddles). Is well worth that 175 more dollars. To me in the long run your saving money. My only problem is i absolutely LOVE my petzl minus the durability issue.
So Family Tree, I have one question for you. Your called to a property where you can only bring one of your saddles. On this property you will have to do a medium sized hand take-down, crown reduction on a large oak tree, of heavy lateral limbs growing over the house. Yes, you have to climb out on the ends. Upon completion of the oak, the crane will arrive and you will have to remove a white pine, three picks..... What saddle do you bring to complete this job. I ask you because you seam to have quite a few of the newer saddles so your opinion is very valuable.
- Location
- North of Boston
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Yea i have narrowed my new saddle choice down to ergovation or treemotion....
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Honestly I'd go with the treemotion. You can buy it through honeybros for 300 bucks. The ergo is 475 or something like that. The ergo is more comfy then the motion but not 175 dollars worth. Plus you can buy a cedaroth first aid bag and add it to the motion and get some lumbar support, not as good as the ergo in any way but it does work.
I'll be honest with you guys, the ergo is very comfy but it's more like a treemotion just stuffed with extra padding. The treemotion gang was trying to make a light competition saddle, and they nailed it. I don't notice much of a difference other then the additional padding and extra weight.
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So Family Tree, I have one question for you. Your called to a property where you can only bring one of your saddles. On this property you will have to do a medium sized hand take-down, crown reduction on a large oak tree, of heavy lateral limbs growing over the house. Yes, you have to climb out on the ends. Upon completion of the oak, the crane will arrive and you will have to remove a white pine, three picks..... What saddle do you bring to complete this job. I ask you because you seam to have quite a few of the newer saddles so your opinion is very valuable.
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very interested in this too. I am up for a new saddle soon as well. I like the TA3, Treemotion, Ergo, Edelride, Kolibri, and the new Morpho.......nevermind whatever else comes out this spring/summer. Im screwed!
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Yea i have narrowed my new saddle choice down to ergovation or treemotion....
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Honestly I'd go with the treemotion. You can buy it through honeybros for 300 bucks. The ergo is 475 or something like that. The ergo is more comfy then the motion but not 175 dollars worth. Plus you can buy a cedaroth first aid bag and add it to the motion and get some lumbar support, not as good as the ergo in any way but it does work.
I'll be honest with you guys, the ergo is very comfy but it's more like a treemotion just stuffed with extra padding. The treemotion gang was trying to make a light competition saddle, and they nailed it. I don't notice much of a difference other then the additional padding and extra weight.
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So Family Tree, I have one question for you. Your called to a property where you can only bring one of your saddles. On this property you will have to do a medium sized hand take-down, crown reduction on a large oak tree, of heavy lateral limbs growing over the house. Yes, you have to climb out on the ends. Upon completion of the oak, the crane will arrive and you will have to remove a white pine, three picks..... What saddle do you bring to complete this job. I ask you because you seam to have quite a few of the newer saddles so your opinion is very valuable.
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very interested in this too. I am up for a new saddle soon as well. I like the TA3, Treemotion, Ergo, Edelride, Kolibri, and the new Morpho.......nevermind whatever else comes out this spring/summer. Im screwed!
I'm with you Boston Bull. The hardest thing is you really can't tell enough about a saddle by just sitting in it at an expo, or show room. I would like to see more offered at local TCC,where you could hang around after the comp. and perform some daily tasks in a saddle that interests you. Or even if vendors could put something together at a local park.
I will tell you though, I'm leaning towards the ergo. But sure do like petzl products.
I will tell you though, I'm leaning towards the ergo. But sure do like petzl products.
- Location
- North of Boston
You worn a TA3 yet?
I am trying to import the Morpho right now too.
I am trying to import the Morpho right now too.
- Location
- tulsa oklahoma
I am also very intersted in the ergovation. I have a sequoia that I use on a regular basis, and a master that is my nasty weather saddle. I have sat in a glide and really like it. Is the ergo more like a glide than a sequoia or vice versa?
Also, what is up with guys having like 5 different saddles all of which came out in the last 2 years? Just curious. Some saddles allow you greater comfort than others, but a great climber can climb well in anything. I personally climb the best in the saddle that I am used to. If I was constantly switching between 3 or 4 I could never get used to anything. Anyways just my 2 cents. Thanks guys.
Derrick Hulsey
Also, what is up with guys having like 5 different saddles all of which came out in the last 2 years? Just curious. Some saddles allow you greater comfort than others, but a great climber can climb well in anything. I personally climb the best in the saddle that I am used to. If I was constantly switching between 3 or 4 I could never get used to anything. Anyways just my 2 cents. Thanks guys.
Derrick Hulsey
countryboypa31
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- PA
I know weight has been a concern by a few guys. I was told the designer is aware of the complaints and i think is intending to address them. As the ergovation is tested more feed back is gathered and changes are made to suit the user. The reason for the extra weight is cause of its intent to be used for fall arrest as well.
I'd wait till the expo cause that would be when things would be released. It def, in my opinion is the most versatile saddle.
I'd wait till the expo cause that would be when things would be released. It def, in my opinion is the most versatile saddle.
I'm not sure why people have so many of the new saddles. I agree that a good climber can climb in anything. Once you get used to the saddle, it becomes a part of you. IMO. I just hate getting used to a saddle, having it all dialed in, then having to buy a new one in a year or so. I believe, this is my opinion, that if I'm spending more than 200 dollars my saddle should last for at least 3 years.
I tried a glide and found that the leg straps twisted on my all the time. Then, they would pinch my legs when sitting in the saddle. I would recommend CLIMBING in the glide if you can before you buy it.
FlashTreetop1 What are your thoughts on the sequoia? Why are you thinking about the ergovation?
I tried a glide and found that the leg straps twisted on my all the time. Then, they would pinch my legs when sitting in the saddle. I would recommend CLIMBING in the glide if you can before you buy it.
FlashTreetop1 What are your thoughts on the sequoia? Why are you thinking about the ergovation?
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I know weight has been a concern by a few guys. I was told the designer is aware of the complaints and i think is intending to address them. As the ergovation is tested more feed back is gathered and changes are made to suit the user. The reason for the extra weight is cause of its intent to be used for fall arrest as well.
I'd wait till the expo cause that would be when things would be released. It def, in my opinion is the most versatile saddle.
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I second the versatility of the saddle. It allows the user to adapt it to their own body type. Plus, you can get any bridge combination that is out their today. That is a great option IMO.
I know weight has been a concern by a few guys. I was told the designer is aware of the complaints and i think is intending to address them. As the ergovation is tested more feed back is gathered and changes are made to suit the user. The reason for the extra weight is cause of its intent to be used for fall arrest as well.
I'd wait till the expo cause that would be when things would be released. It def, in my opinion is the most versatile saddle.
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I second the versatility of the saddle. It allows the user to adapt it to their own body type. Plus, you can get any bridge combination that is out their today. That is a great option IMO.
- Location
- tulsa oklahoma
Royce my Petzl has not held up as well as I would have liked. Although I think it is a gr8 saddle. Also It is so lightweight and somewhat"flimsy"and I honestly like the feel of a little bit beefier saddle. And was wondering if maybe the ergo fits that bill? But dont get me wrong I could climb in a sequoia for the rest of my life and be content. Thanks
Derrick Hulsey
Derrick Hulsey
I looked at the ergovation at a rigging seminar by North America Training Solutions today.
One of the things I like about it is that is completely modular, meaning if the leg webbing wears out, just replace it.
Another is the max. weight limit of 310#.
Within the month, they should have the SRT attachment in the Sherrill catalog.
Later this year they will have the fall arrest, floating Dee and bridge with individual attachment points available.
Seems to me to be well thought out.
One of the things I like about it is that is completely modular, meaning if the leg webbing wears out, just replace it.
Another is the max. weight limit of 310#.
Within the month, they should have the SRT attachment in the Sherrill catalog.
Later this year they will have the fall arrest, floating Dee and bridge with individual attachment points available.
Seems to me to be well thought out.
ergo has a removable insert in the back pad, handy place for hiding beef jerky!
Tr33Climb3r
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- Wisconsin
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ergo has a removable insert in the back pad, handy place for hiding beef jerky!
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ha ha nice.....but thats the thing with the ergo for me....i want to wait till all of that stuff comes out and maybe the weight issue will be addressed....i would like to give it a few years...and yes i agree on having so many saddles...thats why i have held off for so long....maybe this summer I will be able to get a days work in a treemotion.....it seems to me to fit my style and features
ergo has a removable insert in the back pad, handy place for hiding beef jerky!
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ha ha nice.....but thats the thing with the ergo for me....i want to wait till all of that stuff comes out and maybe the weight issue will be addressed....i would like to give it a few years...and yes i agree on having so many saddles...thats why i have held off for so long....maybe this summer I will be able to get a days work in a treemotion.....it seems to me to fit my style and features
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- Haddonfield, nj
Well, I've thought about the question since Friday and I couldn't figure out what to say, what saddle was better. That's when I realized that me not having an answer was the best answer. They are both pretty much the same with a few differences but all in all they feel pretty much the same to me.
The treemotion is light weight and all in all a comfortable saddle that can be customized. It costs 500 bucks. The ergovation weighs a bit more but is super customizeable, you cab even change out your "rigging paw" style bridge and replace it with a glide type front. You can also put a boson seat on it or stiffer leg pads if you want.
I did a large oak tree take down yesterday. Very dead, lots of technical rigging and high stress climbing situations. I went with the treemotion first because It was the first saddle to fall out of the truck. It felt great and I did all of the limbing with that saddle on and had no problems with it. I had to block the whole tree down because the tree was overtop of the house and there were too many targets in the removal area. I blocked down about 20 feet on the treemotion and felt fine.
Today I finished the tree. All blocking from about 30-35 feet up. I wore my ergovation for the blocking because my back was sore from the previous day of blocking with the motion. The saddle was heavier but it handled my blocking situation much better because of the built in, adjustable lumbar support. All of my blocking went well with less stress placed on my back.
Both saddles held up well to the larger saw (stihl 660 and 460) but the ergo just felt better with the lumbar support.
All in all, both saddles feel the same but are not the same at all.
Hopefully this sheds some light. It's always a strange situation when having no answer is actually the best answer. Then again, situations tend to get strange when I'm added into the equation.
The treemotion is light weight and all in all a comfortable saddle that can be customized. It costs 500 bucks. The ergovation weighs a bit more but is super customizeable, you cab even change out your "rigging paw" style bridge and replace it with a glide type front. You can also put a boson seat on it or stiffer leg pads if you want.
I did a large oak tree take down yesterday. Very dead, lots of technical rigging and high stress climbing situations. I went with the treemotion first because It was the first saddle to fall out of the truck. It felt great and I did all of the limbing with that saddle on and had no problems with it. I had to block the whole tree down because the tree was overtop of the house and there were too many targets in the removal area. I blocked down about 20 feet on the treemotion and felt fine.
Today I finished the tree. All blocking from about 30-35 feet up. I wore my ergovation for the blocking because my back was sore from the previous day of blocking with the motion. The saddle was heavier but it handled my blocking situation much better because of the built in, adjustable lumbar support. All of my blocking went well with less stress placed on my back.
Both saddles held up well to the larger saw (stihl 660 and 460) but the ergo just felt better with the lumbar support.
All in all, both saddles feel the same but are not the same at all.
Hopefully this sheds some light. It's always a strange situation when having no answer is actually the best answer. Then again, situations tend to get strange when I'm added into the equation.
Thanks for taking the time and answering my question Familytree. I wasn't sure if you had saddles for different jobs. Like the tree motion for pruning, and the ergo for removals or whatever. I was just curious to what your all around tree saddle would be. Sounds like they both have no limitations for you. Which is really great.
What holds your chainsaw on the ergo? Which side do you hang your chainsaw? Is it opposite your handsaw or on the same side.
What holds your chainsaw on the ergo? Which side do you hang your chainsaw? Is it opposite your handsaw or on the same side.
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- Haddonfield, nj
No problem Royce, if anything I'm just payin ya back from all the info I've gotten from you and everyone else on the site for the past year and a half.
The ergo is a more "all purpose" saddle. I do use my motion for pruning, if my spikes are being worn then I'll probably lean more to my ergo.
I hang my saw on the right side of the saddle, the ergo has 6 gear loops to connect to, I use the far right one and hang the saw on a accesory biner on the right side. I always wear my scabbard on my right leg, spikes or no spikes.
One thing that kinda sucks about the ergo is the "rigging paw" d's. At awkward positions the paw can be a little "hands on" with my privite bits. This will hopefully be remedied when I find where I can pick up the glide attachment (by the way, big props goes out to limbwalkers own rick who told me of the replaceable bridge. Rick your awesome man, thanks for teaching me the cow hitch. Much better then my timber hitch)
Also, the rigging paw isn't worth a crap as much as I can tell. I much prefer the simplicity of the motions lower d rings. I don't know if there really is a benefit to have them
The ergo is a more "all purpose" saddle. I do use my motion for pruning, if my spikes are being worn then I'll probably lean more to my ergo.
I hang my saw on the right side of the saddle, the ergo has 6 gear loops to connect to, I use the far right one and hang the saw on a accesory biner on the right side. I always wear my scabbard on my right leg, spikes or no spikes.
One thing that kinda sucks about the ergo is the "rigging paw" d's. At awkward positions the paw can be a little "hands on" with my privite bits. This will hopefully be remedied when I find where I can pick up the glide attachment (by the way, big props goes out to limbwalkers own rick who told me of the replaceable bridge. Rick your awesome man, thanks for teaching me the cow hitch. Much better then my timber hitch)
Also, the rigging paw isn't worth a crap as much as I can tell. I much prefer the simplicity of the motions lower d rings. I don't know if there really is a benefit to have them
The glide bridge and the other bridge with individual attachment loops will be introduced at the ISA conferance later this year.
The SRT attachment points should be available in a couple of weeks from Sherrill.
Ed Carpenter recommended trying using the upper holes in the paws to clip your lanyard into when doing such operations where you are using your lanyard and also have a second tie in attached to your SRT point in the front.
I have some pictures of the attachments but have no idea yet how to post them....
The SRT attachment points should be available in a couple of weeks from Sherrill.
Ed Carpenter recommended trying using the upper holes in the paws to clip your lanyard into when doing such operations where you are using your lanyard and also have a second tie in attached to your SRT point in the front.
I have some pictures of the attachments but have no idea yet how to post them....
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