Efficiently advancing SRS with basal tie

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What's up treeple! Pretty new to SRS and am struggling a bit to find efficient ways of advance up the tree when I want to get a higher tie in (while maintaining a basal anchor). Are their any good resources on here regarding your favorite and most efficient ways of doing this? I've used my tail with MRS in combo with my lanyard but find it a bit cumbersome to manage my SRS line in the process. Any tips or favorite techniques? Thanks!!
 
Benjo75 said:
I advance it like is done in the video. But remember that it is completely disconnected for a bit. If you drop it you better have a groundy that is good with a throwline.
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Yeah, that's definitely a negative, along with possibly getting your climbing system stuck or damaged if you're really tossing it. I guess you could always take an extra length and clip a clove or something to your harness.
 
I sometimes run my tail through the transporter or a biner. Just something to hold the line up there with you. Tie a knot above your hitch when throwing it. If your hitch, especially a mechanical, gets stuck you can pull it back without tailing your rope through it.
 
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ajblease1 said:
I use my spliced end for the basal tie. Then I can pull it up and it’s on top of the climbing device ready to double rope to advance a tie in. Then I set a canopy anchor at my chosen tie in.
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This would probably be my preferred method but now days I usually just rec climb and have a phone on me (I know I should be with someone). I'd also have to plan to make it retrivable if switching back to srs with a canopy anchor (which is likely). I guess I could also leave my splice on the running end and flip my wrench/ runner to mrs up but then I'd have to flip it again when ready to go back to srs..
 
If you do not need to re-route the descent path of your climbing line, then you can avoid pulling the tail of your rope over the new PSP by using an adjustable mid-line attachable cambium saver/redirect. I made one using a short piece of rope with a Revolver carabiner at one end and attaching an oval screw link to a Prusik cord for the adjustable end. A retrieval ball will fit through the Revolver but not through the screw link, so you can retrieve it from the ground. Just climb above your original PSP using a double climbing lanyard while carrying your climbing line with you. At the new PSP, attach the cambium saver/redirect while paying attention to the direction it will need to be retrieved, insert your climbing rope in the Revolver and screw link, and you're good to go. You never need to disconnect the climbing line.

If it's just a recreational climbing situation where you don't have to be concerned about chunks of tree dropping down on your release rope, you can get away without any extra gear or trouble by tying a releasable knot with a bight of your climbing line at the new TIP. You convert your base anchor to a canopy anchor, and the base anchor leg of your line is slacked and becomes the release rope once you are back on the ground. I use the knot explained in the video below where it is shown as a releasable redirect, but I like it better as an anchor. It is very difficult to release the knot when your weight is on the climbing line, but, of course, you still must always be very vigilant with the release leg and not even use this if there is any chance of an accidental release. It is rare that I use this, but I once made it so that two steps were required to release it. I simply put a fiddlestick in the loop of the release rope. The fiddlestick is attached to throwline which falls to the ground. Pulling on the release rope would not do anything because the fiddlestick was blocking it. Pulling the fiddlestick out would do no harm either. The two actions were required in order to release the rope.

 
Woah, that was very thourough misfit. Thank you. I was wondering how acceptable it would be to use a releasable redirect for PSP. I've been loving the beast horn variations as redirects but the minty looks pretty cool as well. I was definitely tempted to use it as a PSP..
 
Do you have a 2nd rope? I'm usually working when I climb and have gone thru a lot of the fiddly tricks and extra gear and have found a short rope with a system already on it, towed up to the tip is about the quickest, easiest thing to switch up your anchor options. Throw it over your honey crotch and tie it on to your first rope, or use it by itself if it's long enough.
 
I use a Dyneema "rabbit runner" which I keep wrapped up on a carabiner on my saddle at all times it's so small.

Toss the tail of your rope up while you advance MRS while pulling slack in your SRS system once your above your original TIP then just toss it through a crotch or choke it literally anywhere, clip your rope in and you're back on your SRS system.
I learned that method from @Bob Bob, he used a loop runner though, I just find the rabbit runner to be easier to stow when I don't need it.
 
Benjo75 said:
I advance it like is done in the video. But remember that it is completely disconnected for a bit. If you drop it you better have a groundy that is good with a throwline.
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Lignotuber said:
Yeah, that's definitely a negative, along with possibly getting your climbing system stuck or damaged if you're really tossing it. I guess you could always take an extra length and clip a clove or something to your harness.
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When you lanyard in keep the base tie on one side and your tail on the other. If you drop it it’s looped over the flipline.
 
Cereal_Killer said:
I use a Dyneema "rabbit runner" which I keep wrapped up on a carabiner on my saddle at all times it's so small.

Toss the tail of your rope up while you advance MRS while pulling slack in your SRS system once your above your original TIP then just toss it through a crotch or choke it literally anywhere, clip your rope in and you're back on your SRS system.
I learned that method from @Bob Bob, he used a loop runner though, I just find the rabbit runner to be easier to stow when I don't need it.
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I forgot black diamond was making those, sounds like a handy compact tool to keep in the bag. So you use the rabbit runner for your PSP? The only downsides I see are possibly damaging some thin bark trees and not handling shock loads as good as nylon. do you set it as retrivable?
 
rope-a-dope said:
Do you have a 2nd rope? I'm usually working when I climb and have gone thru a lot of the fiddly tricks and extra gear and have found a short rope with a system already on it, towed up to the tip is about the quickest, easiest thing to switch up your anchor options. Throw it over your honey crotch and tie it on to your first rope, or use it by itself if it's long enough.
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Thanks, I've got some ropes laying around but generally try to keep systems light and simple. I use my tail and might play around with some longer lanyards (15'-25'). I'm having a bit of trouble visualizing how you're integrating it to your main rope system if not using it on its own.
 
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