Draw the Line

[Tara2]

Where do you draw the line between film making, good arboricultural practice, and climbing with real 'bottle'.

Had a youtube conversation with the bloke who made this clip a few months back - and then got another answer today. I'm not going to reply.

'Bottle' = 'gusto,' 'verve,' 'daring,' or words to that effect.

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itselthambro
6 months ago
Spikes?

John Mcskimming
3 months ago
Only spikes m8


itselthambro
3 months ago
My point is that by spiking a healthy tree you create perforations in the bark that will allow pathogens into the tree. Thus the tree will become unhealthy - and unsafe for you and others.

Spikes should only be used on trees that are being removed.


John Mcskimming
Ive been climbing like this for years and my work is there for anyone to see as for your comment their is no evidence to give substance to ure claim read shigo n when u actually get a chance to work on the same tree later in its life u will see the tree heals again read ure books n one day u will be able to see what I say really happened .thanks for the comment as ive only been amongst the best subcontractors in the uk for 25 years .the video is about how to get a buzz out of the most dangerous job in the world .see the route n go baby go

itselthambro
3 months ago
What page of Shigo?

John Mcskimming
3 months ago
R u a arborist or a tree surgeon the difference is education .how long have you been climbing and have you ever worked with subcontractors and who r they


itselthambro
3 months ago
Shigo didn't write about climbing - he wrote about trees. I'll have another look at Modern Arboriculture tonight - but I don't expect it to support your contention. Still, if you want to refer me to any particular page or pages that you see as supporting your contention - then I will gladly go to those first. I look forward to learning something; after all, as you quite correctly say, education does make a difference.

John Mcskimming
1 day ago
+itselthambro its called cpmpartmentalisation which in really simple tearms the trees ability to heal itself .this video was done to show real bottle something only an elite few climbers ever reach .cant wait to c ure upload .

 

[gmcttr]

I hate 'text speak'. From the video, I would have defined "bottle" as stupidity.

 

[treehumper]

You will only find the evidence to support what you believe. "Healing" is the first give away.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Here are some pictures of tree disections. All of the wounds are from spikes.

I'd like the climber to respond to what he sees in the pictures.

 

[macswan]

I can't be sure, but from here.... That guy seems like a dick. For a variety of reasons.

Not the least of which being not taking the time to write complete sentences. Hell, even complete words.

Seems like he's "mcskimming" the bottom of the barrel. The title of best subcontractor could be a dubious thing apparently.

 

[treehumper]

What the pics show is a tree compartmentalizing. Was it successful? Are the samples from trees stressed by the spiking that subsequently were set upon by other pathogens thus killing the tree? I'm a firm believer in spikeless pruning but, I've also seen plenty of trees spiked over and over that have continued to thrive. A testament to the vigor of the tree? My feeling is in our current climate we don't need to add more wounds to sap energy and resources from urban trees.

 

[evo]

Tom, are those your photos? if so can I have permission to use them?

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Some are mine. The others are ones I collected from past threads like this.

Share them to point out the fact that spiking does hurt trees. Does it kill them? Maybe not...but why injure the trees?!

 

[Stihlmadd]

source points for entry of infection would be my first reason not to spike a prune job then visual aspects of track marks, thank you for the photos.

 

[weavingwater]

the alternative,...

 

[Tara2]

'My Own Hands' will be playing at the Taranaki Tree Fest [Tree Climbing Film Festival]; and it looks fine in 2.35:1 cinema ratio, and I'm looking forward to seeing it on a screen 27 feet across...