DMM Harness

Matias said:
Won't the TM suspenders fit it for now? :rolleyes:
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Am using Kinisi with MB Ver 1.0 suspenders and it works. Small print/ instructions are on the MB website. Do find that the Ver 1.0 MB suspenders pinch at the neck - probably the Ver 2 (more $$ tho) would be bias cut so they wouldn't do this. As I wrote elsewhere, I found the 1.0 version bugged me a bit when I was sunburned on the back of the neck this summer.
Wondering if DMM comes up with something better fitting or ??? Still liked my old Matt Cornell suspenders from wayback.
 
Matias said:
Landed?!? That seems impossible, though those seem like much more reasonable prices. I know R&D ain't free, but $850 seems like these companies are just trying to see how high they can go before the price kills sales.
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R&D for DMM was pretty cheap considering the fact that Teufelberger spent the last 15+ years fine tuning and dialing in the design.
 
ghostice said:
Am using Kinisi with MB Ver 1.0 suspenders and it works. Small print/ instructions are on the MB website. Do find that the Ver 1.0 MB suspenders pinch at the neck - probably the Ver 2 (more $$ tho) would be bias cut so they wouldn't do this. As I wrote elsewhere, I found the 1.0 version bugged me a bit when I was sunburned on the back of the neck this summer.
Wondering if DMM comes up with something better fitting or ??? Still liked my old Matt Cornell suspenders from wayback.
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Yep.. I have a few of the Cornell suspenders and they are great on the MCRS, MB 2.0, and the TreeMo s.Light.
 
I have a feeling DM will put out a lite version. An add said something like “newest member to the the kinisi family”…. One layer of conveyor belt taken off like the old one and another $100?
 
Friedrich said:
more the other way around. r&d was cheap for teufelburger…
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Treemagineers did the research, right?

DMM did the research on hardware though and I've gotta think that's a pretty expensive part.

Teufelburger certainly got a lot of real market research that DMM (and Treemangineers) certainly benefits from in their redesign.

Spread the credit all around!
 
I've often thought that the history of arb gear in Europe, in the US and in Japan would make a great book or video series and should be documented for the future, even from an industrial engineering/ design standpoint if not history so as not to lose it. This field is full of very inventive people similar to alpine climbing (we didn't have any such thing as ice screws when I started alpine and thought electrical conduit for pro on ice climbs was huge step up. Also had miles of blue and purple slings . . . ).
Beddes at the Barn talks about some of the German harness history with Mark Bridge at TreeImagineers, Bernd Strasser, Chris Cowell at DMM and Anna Aschauer at Teufelberger, Uli Distel and many more.
Across the pond here there's been an explosion in gear and manufacturers big and small and no end of inventiveness. Arb is truly an amazing field that's highly under the radar in the general public. I feel so so lucky to have been able to watch this renaissance in the tree climbing world and wonder what in heavens we'll see in the next ten years.
So here's something - one thing I haven't seen at the Banff Film Festival is tree climbing/ arb work. DMM does bridge rock/ alpine and arb. Well, anybody??? There are just as funny, storytelling folks in this field as in alpine or kayaking or any other . . . . I throw that out for this Sunday AM maybe. Cheers all.
 
Had a chance to try the Kinisi yesterday and the old adage, try before you buy, really rang true for me. One very important thing that I noticed straight away was the hip dee placement relative to saddle sizing. Going by waist size (29") I am a small, but the Kinisi side dees on the small were so far back that it rendered them damn near useless. Size medium put the hip dees in the proper placement, but the rest of the saddle was so fucking huge on me that even with the waist pulled as tight as humanly possibly the rest of the back pad was way to large/loose and offered almost no back support. My beloved S.light is perfection when it comes to hugging my hips/low back and hip dee placement. To DMM and Teufelberger. If it ain't broke, please don't fix it.

Other than that the Kinisi is a beautifully constructed masterpiece.
 
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rico said:
Had a chance to try the Kinisi yesterday and the old adage, try before you buy, really rang true for me. One very important thing that I noticed straight away was the hip dee placement relative to saddle sizing. Going by waist size (29") I am a small, but the Kinisi side dees on the small were so far back that it rendered them damn near useless. Size medium put the hip dees in the proper placement, but the rest of the saddle was so fucking huge on me that even with the waist pulled as tight as humanly possibly the rest of the back pad was way to large/loose and offered almost no back support. My beloved S.light is perfection when it comes to hugging my hips/low back and hip dee placement. To DMM and Teufelberger. If it ain't broke, please don't fix it.

Other than that the Kinisi is a beautifully constructed masterpiece.
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You hit the nail on the head - to get the side D's where I'm used to them (MB 1.0)/ others, I'd had to get the L (break point M to L is 35 inch waist) but the L seemed, well way tooo L. I am trying lanyard keeper on the left side too and find I've kind run outta real estate back there frankly. It takes up a lot of space. So I'm using abuncha lil red rubber loopy thingys here 'n there but it's taking getting used to. The second thing I'da changed is the loops for the keeper hooks need to be more forward on both left and right side for me. I still find a keeper on the right for the saw way way back of what I'm used to. I find I'm accessing storage by "feel" way more than I'm used to. But comfy - yup.
 
I feel for you guys. I tried the side Ds on a big spar the other day, and they happen to sit exactly where I am used to. Unfortunately, I am just so accustomed to the feeling of running my flipline from my forward Ds, that the side Ds are as useless as ever for me. I only use them for work positioning tether points.
 
Matias said:
I feel for you guys. I
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Course, I could just lose some of that ever expanding middle girth that comes from Canucks crackin' Greens too much? I do feel after using the Kinisi that it's is kinda sized for European's - in all honesty over this side of the pond maybe we're just bigger or something. I have found the same thing with mountaineering stuff bought in some of the shops over there in Chamonix or Zermatt - get the next size up. Come to think of it, it seems a lot of the outdoor clothing brands over here are getting a bit "skinny 24 yr old" fit for me and the guys I hang with. Or . . . .
Come to think of it, I remember I posted in similar vein on Buzz somewhere, that you sometimes see guys wearing fishnet underlayers next to the skin, in the ski huts in Europe - don't see that over here much either . . . .
 
Yea, it sucks that you can't excercise your way to fat loss, or we would all be slim and able to eat and drink all we want. I have found that limiting my beer intake helps more than anything. I like heavy beers that run in the 200+ calorie range, and when I got into a habit of having more than one a day, I started gaining weight. I finally am at a place where I don't have a beer every day, and have mysteriously started loosing a little belly fat. Go figure.
 
rico said:
Had a chance to try the Kinisi yesterday and the old adage, try before you buy, really rang true for me. One very important thing that I noticed straight away was the hip dee placement relative to saddle sizing. Going by waist size (29") I am a small, but the Kinisi side dees on the small were so far back that it rendered them damn near useless. Size medium put the hip dees in the proper placement, but the rest of the saddle was so fucking huge on me that even with the waist pulled as tight as humanly possibly the rest of the back pad was way to large/loose and offered almost no back support. My beloved S.light is perfection when it comes to hugging my hips/low back and hip dee placement. To DMM and Teufelberger. If it ain't broke, please don't fix it.

Other than that the Kinisi is a beautifully constructed masterpiece.
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They seem to always screw something up when they make 3 sizes. The one size TM. EVO AND light are perfect harnesses. Think I will wait some more. Nearly pulled the trigger this weekend. But it is a want not a need. So this helps me hold off.
 
They did not need to change a thing with side Ds and red gear loops. All I ever use to store things are those gear loops and two metolius clips where you would use vaults. If those things are out of position I know it will be a problem for me. Had a chance to try it on my summer holiday, but did not. Prob for the good for now, as I really do not need it. Fortunately my Evos will last me til I am done climbing period. Just bought a bunch of parts to keep them going. Just glad I did not get on the bandwagon.
 
I'm using these suspenders on my kinsi same as I did on my treemo. I'm using small screw links to attach it to the saddle. They're great padded, breath very well, light weight, honestly can't really think of a single improvement on them, and as a bonus they're inexpensive compared to buying any arborist branded ones.
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Husky Universal Sliding Rig Tool Belt Support in Black 81701N20 - The Home Depot

Constructed of 1680 Denier fabric for ultimate durability. Vented Padding allows breathing while being worn. Offers Sliding Movement as well for maximum comfort. Warning: Do Not Use as a Harness for Personal
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