Dangerous tree removal

[Phil]

All in all, to downsize that tree to a pile of sticks is fairly straightforward. IF, you have the tools, and experience to get above your work and/or restrict/make predictable any movement when cutting

You can armchair arborist this one all day, and for some, there is value in that. But it loses value with too many assumptions.

For the OP. I get it. Times are weird. My recommendation from a practical standpoint; Let it rest. No target, no hazard.

For the rest of you enjoy the discussion, but paralysis by analysis will get you into as much trouble as no plan at all.

Evaluate the hazards. If possible, eliminate hazards, substitute them, engineer them void, follow best practices, and employ proper PPE (In that order mind you!) as much as is reasonable. Then execute the plan.

Start and finish there if you continue the discussion

Tony

This is mostly true. I respectfully disagree with your statement that too much is lost with with all the assumptions. Much can be gained from armchair arboristing this, and the myriad of other "how would you handle this" posts. The key take away for those reading through this is to recognize the critical thinking process that goes on when evaluating these situations. This often times just occurs in the mind of the arborist on site. To have the opportunity to hear/read these thoughts provides the insights into the risks associated with the task, the concern for proper ppe, the importance of recognizing ones own skill level/limitations etc. Etc.

You say to evaluate hazards. Ok, what are some you see?

You say to eliminate hazards. Ok, how would you go about eliminating specific hazards?

You say follow best practices. Ok, what are best practices?

My point is don't poo poo all the armchair critical thinking based on photos. Even as a seasoned professional, I still gain much from armchair hypothetical conversations. Imagine what a non professional can learn. Discussion expands knowledge. Knowledge keeps me safe.

 

[Tony]

This is mostly true. I respectfully disagree with your statement that too much is lost with with all the assumptions. Much can be gained from armchair arboristing this, and the myriad of other "how would you handle this" posts. The key take away for those reading through this is to recognize the critical thinking process that goes on when evaluating these situations. This often times just occurs in the mind of the arborist on site. To have the opportunity to hear/read these thoughts provides the insights into the risks associated with the task, the concern for proper ppe, the importance of recognizing ones own skill level/limitations etc. Etc.

You say to evaluate hazards. Ok, what are some you see?

You say to eliminate hazards. Ok, how would you go about eliminating specific hazards?

You say follow best practices. Ok, what are best practices?

My point is don't poo poo all the armchair critical thinking based on photos. Even as a seasoned professional, I still gain much from armchair hypothetical conversations. Imagine what a non professional can learn. Discussion expands knowledge. Knowledge keeps me safe.

Phil,

At a certain point the whole exercise becomes an assumption. All the basic hazards that can be seen have been addressed. For me to guess that “perhaps” I could secure the tree to the one it leans into would be just that a “guess.“ Thus the cycle continues.

I’ll admit a bias to action. Paralyzation through analyzation annoys me. In this situation, no action, for me anyway, is possible, so I bore quickly. That’s all on me, I know.

I don’t see the value in making assumptions. I do see the hazard in making too many and the OP and/ or others with similar situations applying them either improperly or incompletely. Call it my on-line paranoia.

I’ll also admit to another bias as in my travels and trainings, so MANY times I see a tool or technique either miss applied or downright wrong and am given the justification ”well I saw it on youtube”. Drives me nuts. You should not get your information from the same place you get your entertainment. Again. All me, I know.

If you find value in the armchair arborist game, then don’t let my comments offend you. They were not meant to.

The internet is great, but has limitations.

Tony

 

[islandarb]

Phil,

At a certain point the whole exercise becomes an assumption. All the basic hazards that can be seen have been addressed. For me to guess that “perhaps” I could secure the tree to the one it leans into would be just that a “guess.“ Thus the cycle continues.

I’ll admit a bias to action. Paralyzation through analyzation annoys me. In this situation, no action, for me anyway, is possible, so I bore quickly. That’s all on me, I know.

I don’t see the value in making assumptions. I do see the hazard in making too many and the OP and/ or others with similar situations applying them either improperly or incompletely. Call it my on-line paranoia.

I’ll also admit to another bias as in my travels and trainings, so MANY times I see a tool or technique either miss applied or downright wrong and am given the justification ”well I saw it on youtube”. Drives me nuts. You should not get your information from the same place you get your entertainment. Again. All me, I know.

If you find value in the armchair arborist game, then don’t let my comments offend you. They were not meant to.

The internet is great, but has limitations.

Tony

Well said Tony.

 

[Phil]

Phil,

At a certain point the whole exercise becomes an assumption. All the basic hazards that can be seen have been addressed. For me to guess that “perhaps” I could secure the tree to the one it leans into would be just that a “guess.“ Thus the cycle continues.

I’ll admit a bias to action. Paralyzation through analyzation annoys me. In this situation, no action, for me anyway, is possible, so I bore quickly. That’s all on me, I know.

I don’t see the value in making assumptions. I do see the hazard in making too many and the OP and/ or others with similar situations applying them either improperly or incompletely. Call it my on-line paranoia.

I’ll also admit to another bias as in my travels and trainings, so MANY times I see a tool or technique either miss applied or downright wrong and am given the justification ”well I saw it on youtube”. Drives me nuts. You should not get your information from the same place you get your entertainment. Again. All me, I know.

If you find value in the armchair arborist game, then don’t let my comments offend you. They were not meant to.

The internet is great, but has limitations.

Tony

I wasn't offended. That's why I respectfully disagreed haha. I've learned quite a few things from YouTube, but I pride myself on my ability to filter bullshit from legitimate. We all learn in different ways so it's all good. But just know, if you and I ever work together, I would screw with you constantly by saying, "Hey Tony hold this rigging line while I use this new cutting technique I saw on YouTube last night." Or something to that affect. You'll get irritated, I'll laugh, you'll cus at me, I'll buy you lunch...good times all around!

 

[evo]

Tripping hung up shit ain’t for beginners. This was my first and I wasn’t green, what the photos don’t show is my boots filling up with piss

 

[Tony]

I wasn't offended. That's why I respectfully disagreed haha. I've learned quite a few things from YouTube, but I pride myself on my ability to filter bullshit from legitimate. We all learn in different ways so it's all good. But just know, if you and I ever work together, I would screw with you constantly by saying, "Hey Tony hold this rigging line while I use this new cutting technique I saw on YouTube last night." Or something to that affect. You'll get irritated, I'll laugh, you'll cus at me, I'll buy you lunch...good times all around!

Yup that is probably how it would go!

I’ll look forward to that day should the opportunity ever happen

Tony