'Corrective' pruning

tomthetreeman

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\'Corrective\' pruning

So here's the deal. About 2 years ago, I pruned this gigantic 150+ yr old European Beech for a client of mine in Providence. The tree is absolutely gorgeous, and its canopy dominates a huge area. Customer was thrilled with our work, we did a minor house clearance, deadwood and general crown cleaning, plus we raised it up for pedestrian clearance in two spots.

Less than a week later she calls me, horrified, and says that another tree company, hired by her neighbor, came in and butchered the tree. The neighbor has some HUGE radio antennas in his yard, perhaps for contacting E.T, who knows? I thought these things were relics, but apparently this guy still has some use for them. The cuts were pretty much all made to clear the antennas, but for whatever reason the cutter just went to the property line, disregarding proper pruning altogether. Anyway, the company that did the work is not known for this type of hacking, and when I called them, the owner was apologetic, and met me at the site the next day to survey the damage and figure out how to possibly fix this situation.

Long story short, two years goes by and nada. After many calls and discussions about how we could schedule the work so myself and the client could be there, he never contacted either of us, so I changed the plan. I caught up with him recently and told him that I would do the work and send him the bill, which he agreed to (There's a first time for everything I guess!). I went out yesterday to prune out the bad cuts, etc. These pictures show just how quickly F. sylvatica dies back/decays from internodal cuts. We did what we could, but it is still such a shame that this happened to such an awesome tree. To make matters worse, the work was done on the WSW side of the tree; an exposure that beech trees should not have opened up. I plan to reinspect the tree periodically to see how the recovery goes.

Here are a few pics:

http://picasaweb.google.com/tomthetreeman/ElmhurstBeech#

Thoughts?

-Tom
 
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Looks like you did all that could be done. Good work on a shady situation. What gets me about situations like this is, why not move the antennas rather than butcher the tree? Probably one of those scenerios where the neighbor hates that tree and will do what ever is legal which includes butchering anything over his property line, exactly what was done. He probably told the other tree company that is what he wanted and cutting back to laterals probably wouldn't have satisfied him.

I serve on a city tree and landscape board and it kills me how if a tree is blocking the view of a business sign the first thing people do is cut down or butcher the tree. I tell them, it took 25 years for that tree to become that big, it would take a couple hours to move your piece of sign.
 
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move the antennas next time!

I'd be real careful about getting paid. He was just as amenable the first time and didn't follow through.
 
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I'd be real careful about getting paid. He was just as amenable the first time and didn't follow through.

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Good point. I'm supposed to meet with him tomorrow, so we shall see. Really, though, he'd be crazy not to pay me. RI is a very small state.

-Tom
 
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That dude should've just gotten cable. The die back there is bad but not at all surprising. I hope the guy paid you.

I had a tree service hire me to do a house clearance pruning. When I got into the tree and started cutting the guy asked what I was doing and said he wanted it just sheared off in a straight line 10' from the edge of the house... I refused.

I needed the work but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. We negotiated a while and was able to finish my way... then he wanted to pay me less because I cut less wood! ... it took at least twice as long as it would have to just hack a straight line... but he wanted a discount.
 
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Macro, I'm on a tree board too and we simply don't let anyone kill a public tree for something like a sign... and we fine their if they do it on the sly.
When sidewalks need to be cleared, we (two of us are arborists) do the pruning ourselves as volunteers.
 
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Blinky, can you give me info on how your city handles topping on public and/or commercial property.

We have a city ordinace that states "topping on public and commercial property is prohibited and subject to penalty" but the city won't enforce it at all. One of the down falls of living in a ultra conservative area, they don't want to fine/punish businesses even if they are degrading the value of the city.
 
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Ask them in a public council meeting what other ordinances are "voluntary". What about building permits? Or zoning ordinances? Are those voluntary too?
 
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TH has an excellent idea.

I've only been on the board for a year and we are reviewing the tree ordinance right now. In short, no public tree can be cut, trimmed or otherwise altered without a work order from the City Planner or Tree Board. Town employees do minor stuff and we hire out anything technical. Topping is never permitted.

Fines for removing trees on private property in the Historic District are unfortunately trivial, $200 in most cases for removing a mature tree... but do that on Town property and it gets expensive with the fine recurring until the tree is replaced. Our City Planner is tree friendly and she keeps most people in line without us ever getting involved.
 
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The chairperson of the environmental commission is the de facto watchdog here. They will make sure fines are levied and collected.
 
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Unfortunately, we don't have a penalty or fine when a public tree is topped or poisoned (which happens a surprising amount).

Lately I've been meeting with a police officer to file a police report, which never goes anywhere but hopefully it sends a message to people that it is a crime to vandalize or destroy City property.

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Tom, that neighbor got off way too easy--that tree's had a permenent loss in value, plus it'll have to be revisited to control sunscald etc.

They oughta pay for 10 years' work minimum.

Nice job so far but you know you are not done, and why should you have to reinspect etc for free?
 
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All good points, Guy. As the arborist for the client I am not in a true objective position, so we would have had to bring in a CA to determine an appropriate penalty, and taken them to court, etc.

Although in the end it would have served my client and the tree best, I don't think the client really wanted to go there. I don't mind going back to inspect, and if there is further work needed, I will bill these guys again.

I definitely hear what you're saying, though.

-Tom
 
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All good points, Guy. As the arborist for the client I am not in a true objective position, so we would have had to bring in a CA to determine an appropriate penalty, and taken them to court, etc.

Although in the end it would have served my client and the tree best, I don't think the client really wanted to go there. I don't mind going back to inspect, and if there is further work needed, I will bill these guys again.


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If they'll be around to bill later, sounds like a plan.

Most disputes are far better avoided than (attempted to be) resolved.

Sunscald's a beyotch on beeches.
 
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Unfortunately, we don't have a penalty or fine when a public tree is topped or poisoned (which happens a surprising amount).

Lately I've been meeting with a police officer to file a police report, which never goes anywhere but hopefully it sends a message to people that it is a crime to vandalize or destroy City property.

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So, there is an ordinance but no penalty associated with it? That needs to be rectified otherwise it is meaningless. At least with the police report there is a history that can be referenced in the future to show the extent of the problem.


Do you have a Shade Tree Committee or Environmental Commisssion?
 

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