Contract Tree Climbers Association (CTCA)...

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Ok, let's brainstorm this out. If we band together we could organize potential work projects around the country but, more importantly, we should be able to come up with a group Worker's Comp/General liability policy so that we could legally sub-contract to legitimate professional tree service companies. What do you think? Let's do it!!!!
 
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Not knowing the logistics, I'd be inclined to consider something like that. Many commercial fishing boat owners have insurance pools. They all contribute and don't let in guys who are fuckups. Seems to work for them, and my understanding is it can be considerably cheaper than private insurance
 
Gonna contact a couple of insurance companies about the concept. Can't imagine coming up with much more than 50 qualified members so they may not be too interested (who knows not too many co's out there with fifty employees) but I think Co's like ArborMax will at least give us advice and I think someone out there would be glad to take our money.
 
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How can this happen if we all live and work all over the country. Off shore insurance agency??
Every insurance company I've had worker's comp through had companies offering multiple state coverage, it seems to be common. That's what I told them I needed for storm jumping.
 
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The only way I could ever justify having myself (the owner/operator/lead climber) "included" (the box you educate your clients to look for when you have worker's comp and your competition says they do too but didn't pay to have owner/operator/lead climber "included" in coverage he probably has only to cover his employees {and I thank him for at least doing that!}) on the worker's comp coverage is by being incorporated and on a minimum salary. That way they can't touch any of the money you take out of the business account over your salary. As with your employees, all medical and rehab is covered but who can keep a business running. let alone to live on., while injured, on a covered salary of say only $300.00 per week, or so? Sure you can up it but at 44% of payroll you might only want to do so much for the long term.
 
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Ok, let's brainstorm this out. If we band together we could organize potential work projects around the country but, more importantly, we should be able to come up with a group Worker's Comp/General liability policy so that we could legally sub-contract to legitimate professional tree service companies. What do you think? Let's do it!!!!

This is a bold idea. It is how great organizations start.

Tim
 
This is a project for a co-op of people sitting around a round table "considering the absurd"; another way of saying brainstorming. Anybody can get worker's comp as I've described above. The greater part of the picture for this concept is jobbing out work. This would be the central hub for companies to come to when they're looking for specially qualified contract climbers to turn-key crew operations or just supplement existing crews to knock out back logs and, typically, on a temporary basis. I truly believe once the word got out in the "Job Finder" forum that things would start to happen. Anybody out there right now trying to make a living doing contract work knows that they have to have a home base where they can also pursue residential tree care and local sub-contracting work. Most anything generated from this group would require travel and living on the road. That's really what motivates me; the adventure and camaraderie. That's not for everyone and I have no idea how many people this could support. Just thinking out loud...
 
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I am not a contract climber but am considering it. Need to start doing something for myself instead of "the man". So this has my full attention.
 
This is exactly what I'd like to see. I've thought about this very concept and agree with everything in your post

This is a project for a co-op of people sitting around a round table "considering the absurd"; another way of saying brainstorming. Anybody can get worker's comp as I've described above. The greater part of the picture for this concept is jobbing out work. This would be the central hub for companies to come to when they're looking for specially qualified contract climbers to turn-key crew operations or just supplement existing crews to knock out back logs and, typically, on a temporary basis. I truly believe once the word got out in the "Job Finder" forum that things would start to happen. Anybody out there right now trying to make a living doing contract work knows that they have to have a home base where they can also pursue residential tree care and local sub-contracting work. Most anything generated from this group would require travel and living on the road. That's really what motivates me; the adventure and camaraderie. That's not for everyone and I have no idea how many people this could support. Just thinking out loud...
 
Love the idea as someone who is doing contract climbing. Plz keep updated on details. It would also be nice for tree companies to have someone to go to and find good contract climber, like a Angie's list for tree climbers, ratings, reviews, comments, ect.
 
Interesting concept. Could also be used as a work reference or type of emloyment agency also. But again, echos of the union hall effect.
I imagine a concept like CTCA would have some characteristics of a "union". Tell me what you perceive as being the negative qualities of a union of workers and what would need to be avoided to make it positive for everyone involved...
 
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What I've been wanting is a way to set up work somewhere I'm interested like say New Zealand for example. Go over test the water for a few weeks and rent a house, have the lady and kid fly over and get to experience a different place for a month or two and be able to see my family while making money doing something I love.
Agree with the review type set up. I'll say it again as I've said before in other threads, check out Couchsurfer.com. The review/rating process is a good filter as well as the mission statement and self description section
 
Just don't use the word Union!
Really great idea

If you don't mind my asking, what makes you say this?

What is being described is exactly how a local union system works. The local guys all have first dibbs on any work done within their jurisdiction. When the demand for labor becomes greater than the supply of labor, the companies in need of help have the ability to draw upon a vetted labor pool, from a much larger area than their own local market. Each local union has a building space that guys can go to to take care of the referral process and paperwork. Each local negotiates its own contract with the group of businesses in that area that choose to become signatory contractors. In this way, locations with lower costs of living can negotiate a fair price for the local conditions. This becomes a minimum standard, but there is nothing stopping a company from paying more, in order to attract help from further afield.

They do this because they're aware that it's expensive for someone to go on the road to work. The person who works on the road is usually paying rent twice, if they have a permanent domicile in their own local.

This arrangement also opens up the door to establishing retirement funds for the personnel that are associated with the union and not any individual company. I personally favor the idea of IRA's, because that money belongs to the individual and not the organization, as opposed to a pension fund.

Running the organization is probably an expensive proposition, however. It is also subject to being corrupted, because the person in the position of running each local has a lot of power and flexibility in how things happen, so it's necessary to pick honest, ethical people to fill those positions.

That's all for now.

Tim
 

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