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Santiago Casanova

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The discussion about the snip has got me thinking that others could benefit from a hernia discussion as well. I am grateful for everybody advice on the snip. I will never get it done.

In April of 2017 I was in a read end car accident. A large SUV hit the back of my wife's car with us in it. We had the usual neck and back pain but the seat belt's lap bet gave me an inguinal hernia on the right side. When I discovered it I got some webbing and a foam block and made a belt to keep my intestines behind the abdominal wall. That worked but it was not a permanent solution to my problem. I was advised by a surgeon to live with it or have it repaired with mesh. He said that it was malpractice to repair a hernia the "old fashioned way." I was told that I would have a 20 to 30% chance it would return if I did not use mesh. I was not convinced. I went to one of his colleagues that was willing to do a traditional repair.

I had the traditional repair. It involved a 3" incision and using permanent sutures to tie the mussel to the inguinal ligament. The mesh repair would have involved inflating my abdomen with gas and using a robot to put mesh inside my abdominal wall. Then a robot stitches the mesh to the muscle.

Even though I was advised against the old repair I feel it was and still is the superior repair. The mesh will scar into the muscle. If it needs to be removed or adjusted, the muscle needs to be cut away to release the mesh. That involves going under again. The stitches I have are outside of the abdominal wall. They can be removed with nothing more than local anesthetic. Also, if the hernia returned, the sutures can be cut and the mesh can be installed. If the mesh is installed, there is no going back.

Having a background in construction helped me make the decision as well. I understand the need for room to properly service equipment. When the fault is near the surface and can be accessed through a incision in the skin I see no need to use a robot and inflate me with gas to make room. The surgeon even said that a traditional repair is easiest for him to do. No sense in making the surgeon do something unnecessary. It does cost more for a laparoscopic repair because they need more equipment and people. They did not use the robot on me but they did have the machine that goes "ping."

The proof is in the pudding. I have had no issues with the repair. I can feel a line of scar tissue under the incision but that is minimal. I have been climbing with no issues but minimal pain the next day. My biggest worry about the hernia was being able to climb again. I can climb, I just need to be careful and avoid twisting too much.

I had the surgery in August of 2017. I am 100% satisfied with my decision to go old school. I would advise anybody with an inguinal hernia to consider a meshless repair. The only downside was the recovery. I was out for a week and a half. Also, nobody told me about the swelling or busing. Expect your boys to be the size of grapefruits and as purple as purple gets. I had to waddle sideways through the hallway for a few days. I did not use the painkillers after the surgery because they made things worse. I could sleep for 8 hours straight after I stopped taking them. The busing was so painful for a few days that I did not feel the incision until after the swelling went down.

If you guys have any questions, just ask in the thread.
 
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Went to Shouldice hospital in Toronto for double hernia fixit 29 years ago.
They did a good job. It is all they do.
Met a fellow while I was there from Argentina who had had multiple previous unsuccssful surgeries back home. Quite a number of Americans getting their hernias looked after at Shouldice too.
No mesh, btw. Whatever method they use, works. Period.
 
So, I'm wondering is there any way to prevent hernias in the first place? I have decided that having testes the size of grapefruit is not on my bucket list. Glad you are feeling better Santiago, sounds like a rough time.
 
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Hydration is key. Also doing workouts that balance our work exercise, along with proper stretching and warming up before jumping into the grind. But I think hydration may be one of the most looked-over elements of prevention for many ailments. I believe that if I had been properly hydrated and warmed up I could have prevented at least one of my hernias. Partly because when I am not well hydrated I start to feel them even though they’ve been repaired.
 
Hydration is key. Also doing workouts that balance our work exercise, along with proper stretching and warming up before jumping into the grind. But I think hydration may be one of the most looked-over elements of prevention for many ailments. I believe that if I had been properly hydrated and warmed up I could have prevented at least one of my hernias. Partly because when I am not well hydrated I start to feel them even though they’ve been repaired.

Good point/s.

I know it is not associated just with being older because I know of two twenty somethings that developed hernias, one lifts heavy things one not much being an electrician.

Another big piece to the puzzle is balancing your muscles, getting them back to a state of not being activated. If I stop doing my daily 15 min practice of getting my muscles back closer to zero activation in their resting state I will start straining muscles in my back within about 3 days.
 
Good point/s.

I know it is not associated just with being older because I know of two twenty somethings that developed hernias, one lifts heavy things one not much being an electrician.

Another big piece to the puzzle is balancing your muscles, getting them back to a state of not being activated. If I stop doing my daily 15 min practice of getting my muscles back closer to zero activation in their resting state I will start straining muscles in my back within about 3 days.

Electricians lift a lot of heavy stuff. Spools/coils of wire, switch gear, transformers, rigid conduit and the tools. I did a lot of heavy lifting in my sparky days. I have and still do a lot of lifting doing tree work. I also use a heavy saw with a 36" bar. I would think that somewhere along the way that would have given me a hernia, but nothing. I got my hernia from a car accident at 30. The lap belt pulled really hard on my waist. I mention this because I think that a fall in a harness, especially a fall prevention harness and not a climbing harness, would have a decent chance of giving someone a hernia. I am really looking at harness design more closely because of this. One with a different design might give me issues with the repair.

The point about hydration is good as an all around tip. It also helps things like being less sore and achy the next day.
 
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So, I'm wondering is there any way to prevent hernias in the first place? I have decided that having testes the size of grapefruit is not on my bucket list. Glad you are feeling better Santiago, sounds like a rough time.

Inguinal hernias are a "built in" structural defect, the price human's pay for standing upright. We are still an evolutionary work in progress. Out of 6 male siblings everyone has had inguinal hernia repairs, all at different ages from childhood through adulthood. Genetic tendency, on the short end of the evolutionary stick. At 62 I was the last in the family to have it done both sides. 3-months post surgery the right side failed, back to the drawing board. I can work, will bust my ass for a few months so I can afford the recovery layoff. Doc said traditional repair has a higher reoccurrence then mesh only and that when they do "traditional" they now use mesh too. According to him the fascia (what they sew in traditional) is liable to fail, the first 6-months post op is the danger period for reoccurrence for either surgical technique. It's the random shit that gets us.
-AJ
 
I want to do a bit of an update and to ask for advice. I went several months with no climbing. I did regular stuff around the house and kept my lifting to 40lbs or less. I find that if I do a lot of repetitive twisting or lifting I get soreness at the hernia site. It does not feel like it is going to give out but the next day I will feel sore where the repair is. I found that doing things like lifting a bucket of cat litter or motor oil (both around 40lbs) into my truck and doing it several times will generate the soreness. It seems like lifting and twisting is what will do it. Does anybody have any thoughts or similar experiences? I asked my doctor and she said it is pretty normal to have minor pain from activity.

I did climb a few days ago and I think that other harnesses might be an issue for me. My buckingham sits high up on my waist. It has a stiff back pad and goes around my hip bones. Because of this it puts the harness belt above my hernia repair and the leg straps well below it at mid thigh. This gives me good support around my core. Do you guys know of any harnesses to avoid, those being ones that sit low on the hips? If I replace mine in the future, the replacement will need to have the same geometry as my buckingham master deluxe.
 
What you put on your body is some % of the equation. The condition of your muscles is probably some % too.

I can tell you more about that soon - working now.
 
I want to do a bit of an update and to ask for advice. I went several months with no climbing. I did regular stuff around the house and kept my lifting to 40lbs or less. I find that if I do a lot of repetitive twisting or lifting I get soreness at the hernia site. It does not feel like it is going to give out but the next day I will feel sore where the repair is. I found that doing things like lifting a bucket of cat litter or motor oil (both around 40lbs) into my truck and doing it several times will generate the soreness. It seems like lifting and twisting is what will do it. Does anybody have any thoughts or similar experiences? I asked my doctor and she said it is pretty normal to have minor pain from activity.

I did climb a few days ago and I think that other harnesses might be an issue for me. My buckingham sits high up on my waist. It has a stiff back pad and goes around my hip bones. Because of this it puts the harness belt above my hernia repair and the leg straps well below it at mid thigh. This gives me good support around my core. Do you guys know of any harnesses to avoid, those being ones that sit low on the hips? If I replace mine in the future, the replacement will need to have the same geometry as my buckingham master deluxe.
I dealt with it for some time. The more water I drank, though, the less painful it was
 

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