I was wondering what your thoughts are on having a chapter rep who does not even compete in all the events. I know some people don't footlock well or footlock at all at work. I don't think someone should go to the internationals if they don't even compete in all the events. I mean what is going to happen at the internationals when you tell them to scratch you on an event? If you go to the internationals you should be able to complete all events or atleast be able to represent the chapter very well.
Chapter climber represenative Question
- Thread starter PUClimber
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- Asheville,NC
why are they competing then......whiners, "pick it up and eat it".......footlock beeyotch or go home......
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- St. Paul, MN
Do tell. Is this hypothetical or a real situation?
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- Tha Dirty Bean
I think if they compete and WIN, even while being a scratch in an event, they should still get to rep the chapter......
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- Enid, Ok
Ive climbed inthe past MW chapter. I totally SUCK at footlocking. Back when it was 40', I barely made it. now that its 50, forget it.
a few yrs ago, we came to the fl event and the judges called my name and I said pass. One of the other dudes tried to get me to 'give it a shot, what have you got to loose?' a lot. energy for the next event for one thing.
the way i saw it, I wasnt going to score anyway so why put myself throught the pain and agony. Locally, if you cant do the event (fl) in 40-45 seconds, you not going to score. At internationals, if your not at 35, youre not going to score.
Should someone rep your chapter that doesnt do all the events? That should be left up to the individual chapter to decide ahead of time.
a few yrs ago, we came to the fl event and the judges called my name and I said pass. One of the other dudes tried to get me to 'give it a shot, what have you got to loose?' a lot. energy for the next event for one thing.
the way i saw it, I wasnt going to score anyway so why put myself throught the pain and agony. Locally, if you cant do the event (fl) in 40-45 seconds, you not going to score. At internationals, if your not at 35, youre not going to score.
Should someone rep your chapter that doesnt do all the events? That should be left up to the individual chapter to decide ahead of time.
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- Springfield, MO USA
if they can scratch an event and make up the scores in the others, they still win. there has been a time when I scored a big fat 0 on throwline and still had enough points in the others to make it to the masters. I guess I couldn't take the pride issue of just passing on an event, I'd have to at least give it a shot, but scores is scores, and the rules say who the winner is.
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- Enid, Ok
BS noel....we both know you could toss the whole comp and still end up in the MC! Nuttin like having the chair in your back pocket. 
Yeah but what is gonna happen at internationals when the representative scratches the footlock or other event? I think that would just show the rest of the chapter reps the weakness amongst our own chapter. yes I know people score zeros and still make it to the masters challenge but by not running an event you save energy for other events and thus can gain some advantage.
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- Chapel Hill, NC
I think the climber should climb the rope just like everybody else... at least go the 60 secs. Scratching just to save energy isn't in the spirit of the competition.
When I see a non-footlocker struggling and grunting their way up the rope KNOWING they won't score I give'em more applause than the 15 second guys.
If you're going to a major comp, then you should be entering all events... scratching to save energy and having that advantage over the guys that went ahead and tried and climbed... I dunno man... not cool.
When I see a non-footlocker struggling and grunting their way up the rope KNOWING they won't score I give'em more applause than the 15 second guys.
If you're going to a major comp, then you should be entering all events... scratching to save energy and having that advantage over the guys that went ahead and tried and climbed... I dunno man... not cool.
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- Seattle WA
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scratching to save energy and having that advantage over the guys that went ahead and tried and climbed... I dunno man... not cool.
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ditto. some chapters now have a rule that in order to represent at ITCC women competitors must successfully complete all events. i assume the same would hold true for men. i have to say, i can't imagine it coming up at internationals. like noel said, the pride thing or maybe a sense of sportsmanship seems pretty strong there, even when the climber knows in advance their footlock isn't fast enough for points. norm, judge, anyone - would it be permitted to not attempt the footlock and still compete in the master's (points permitting)? getting no points in throwball is different than choosing not to expend the energy a speed event requires.
interesting question.
scratching to save energy and having that advantage over the guys that went ahead and tried and climbed... I dunno man... not cool.
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ditto. some chapters now have a rule that in order to represent at ITCC women competitors must successfully complete all events. i assume the same would hold true for men. i have to say, i can't imagine it coming up at internationals. like noel said, the pride thing or maybe a sense of sportsmanship seems pretty strong there, even when the climber knows in advance their footlock isn't fast enough for points. norm, judge, anyone - would it be permitted to not attempt the footlock and still compete in the master's (points permitting)? getting no points in throwball is different than choosing not to expend the energy a speed event requires.
interesting question.
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rich_h
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Excellent point Kathy. If chapters are making sure that their female representative must complete every event then the same standard should apply to the men as well. As I interpret the chapter rule the climber must complete the work climb (all stations) without timing out as well as completing the AR without timing out. Would this also apply to scoring at least 1 point in throwline? It seems that there should be some sort of clarification on this at both the chapter level as well as International.
This is one thing that really surprised me when I filled out my registration form for the Ohio TCC.
On the form they asked which events I wanted to compete in. I was shocked!
"You mean I get to pick! Are you kidding?"
Personally, I think if you are going to compete then you take on the whole deal.
At least get out there and try. Just do your best.
On the form they asked which events I wanted to compete in. I was shocked!
"You mean I get to pick! Are you kidding?"
Personally, I think if you are going to compete then you take on the whole deal.
At least get out there and try. Just do your best.
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- Yorkshire,England
i would say that skipping an event to save energy for another one is unsporting and therefore;
2.3.9 A misconduct disqualification will be enforced by the head judge on any contestant who has displayed inappropriate, unprofessional, and/or unsportsmanlike behavior during participation in or after the completion of an event. Event head judges will enforce the rules for their individual event including infractions of the misconduct rule. (2008)
may lead to the disqualification from the whole event, but as we know the chapters can play by their own rules
2.3.9 A misconduct disqualification will be enforced by the head judge on any contestant who has displayed inappropriate, unprofessional, and/or unsportsmanlike behavior during participation in or after the completion of an event. Event head judges will enforce the rules for their individual event including infractions of the misconduct rule. (2008)
may lead to the disqualification from the whole event, but as we know the chapters can play by their own rules
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- Enid, Ok
So your saying I could tie in, take 2 locks, and quit (or sit onthe prusik till time ran out) and that would qualify as 'participating' in the event and go on the the masters?
All this said, when ive done it, I havnt stood a chance at makking masters. Im not fast enough through the work climb, ar, and bsc to get enough points. Sure, the first time in passed on the 50, I did get 4th in the work climb, which happened to be the next event, but w/ the time off we had, even the guy that took 4 minutes to make 50', was plenty rested.
I can agree to all that if youre making the ITCC, you should be well rounded enough to compete in all events. If some major miracle were to happen that I would win the local and the committee denied me going due to my passage in the FL, Id hope i would understand.
Ive been to a couple of ITCCs, Im not nearly good enough to compete on that level. Heck, I dont make top 15 at the local even by doing the events I can score points in.
All this said, when ive done it, I havnt stood a chance at makking masters. Im not fast enough through the work climb, ar, and bsc to get enough points. Sure, the first time in passed on the 50, I did get 4th in the work climb, which happened to be the next event, but w/ the time off we had, even the guy that took 4 minutes to make 50', was plenty rested.
I can agree to all that if youre making the ITCC, you should be well rounded enough to compete in all events. If some major miracle were to happen that I would win the local and the committee denied me going due to my passage in the FL, Id hope i would understand.
Ive been to a couple of ITCCs, Im not nearly good enough to compete on that level. Heck, I dont make top 15 at the local even by doing the events I can score points in.
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- Northern California
The way the rules were a while ago in the ITCC event you had to compete in each event are you didn't qualify to win. Meaning scratch from an event meant you were not eligable to be an overall winner of the ITCC. A goose egg is one thing but not even competeing in the event is elimination from contention.
The rules may have changed ?
The rules may have changed ?
Crazy_Jimmy
Participating member
- Location
- Texas
We once had a climbing skip the footlock because he had a torn ACL.If a person wants to skip an event I see no problem with that at all.That just means the other competitors should have one more chance to have more points.Bottom line is you ad em up and thats who wins or makes the masters.I wish some of the top guys would skip an event here,make my day easier.Fact is if everyone is consistent in the events the guy(i say guy because I heard the beans) who skips shouldnt even be in contention.But if a climber can make the masters while skipping an event he deserves to be in it.
Norm_Hall
New member
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- Wauconda, (Chicago),IL,USA
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I was wondering what your thoughts are on having a chapter rep who does not even compete in all the events. I know some people don't footlock well or footlock at all at work. I don't think someone should go to the internationals if they don't even compete in all the events. I mean what is going to happen at the internationals when you tell them to scratch you on an event? If you go to the internationals you should be able to complete all events or atleast be able to represent the chapter very well.
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My opinion is that to qualify for the ITCC, the competitor must compete in all 5 events. Why should a Chapter pay to send a climber who refuses to compete in an event.
That's the way it is at the IL Chapter. No 5 events, NO ITCC.
I was wondering what your thoughts are on having a chapter rep who does not even compete in all the events. I know some people don't footlock well or footlock at all at work. I don't think someone should go to the internationals if they don't even compete in all the events. I mean what is going to happen at the internationals when you tell them to scratch you on an event? If you go to the internationals you should be able to complete all events or atleast be able to represent the chapter very well.
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My opinion is that to qualify for the ITCC, the competitor must compete in all 5 events. Why should a Chapter pay to send a climber who refuses to compete in an event.
That's the way it is at the IL Chapter. No 5 events, NO ITCC.
Crazy_Jimmy
Participating member
- Location
- Texas
What if a climber skips an event due to a handicap or an injury but still wins.Or what if a climber skips a event because he thought it promoted bad bio mechanical effeciency and future health risk.Sometimes I try not land on the target in the workclimb because I think it promotes unsafe decending and is bad on my knees.(grant it this depends on the setup).Should I lose points for that event?I think the footlock event should change from just footlocking to any ascents means.The 50 feet doesnt have to change but all other aspects should be open.Im sure this would reflect on the industry in general.If someone wants to srt,treefrog,marbar,anchor bridge,single or double handled ascenders or footlock so be it.Whoever is the fastest gets the points and so on-no handicaping just time.I would still footlock if this did change,but it sure would be interesting seeing eveyone go.Times are changing and the comps as they have in the past must change with them.Im sure the purest who still want the body thrust,the work climb/masters and the rope throw might not agree-but hey its a reflection of the industry.Years ago there was a controversy becasue a disabled golfer could not walk the coarse and had to take a cart.Well alot of fellow golfers did not like it and raised a big stink.Well I dont remember how it was resolved but easy solution give everyone the option of the cart.You pay to see them swing not walk!Bottom line any body can skip a event to rest no advantage their.The advantage goes to the guy who points in every event.Who needs to rest at a comp anyway its alot easier than your average workday or should be.
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- Springfield, MO USA
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BS noel....we both know you could toss the whole comp and still end up in the MC! Nuttin like having the chair in your back pocket.
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David--Since you would print that on a public forum, I sense that you are pretending to joke about this, but I also sense that deep down you really believe that I have won in the past on some kind of crooked scheme or favoritism. I'm ok with that, really. I know the rules, I understand the scoring, and I take enormous pride in my wins, sorry that you feel that way. By the way, I assume the chair you are talking about is Tim, who was the chair for the first time last year (I didn't make it to MC last year.) Guess I need to pay him more.
BS noel....we both know you could toss the whole comp and still end up in the MC! Nuttin like having the chair in your back pocket.
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David--Since you would print that on a public forum, I sense that you are pretending to joke about this, but I also sense that deep down you really believe that I have won in the past on some kind of crooked scheme or favoritism. I'm ok with that, really. I know the rules, I understand the scoring, and I take enormous pride in my wins, sorry that you feel that way. By the way, I assume the chair you are talking about is Tim, who was the chair for the first time last year (I didn't make it to MC last year.) Guess I need to pay him more.
