Can someone break 2 splices for me?

MooseHead

MooseHead

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I have 2 eye and eyes one is 8mm hrc and the other is 8mm beeline. They were both spliced with a class 1 double braid splice. Both have been climbed on 3-5 times(closely watched each time) in know this isn't the recommended splice for this rope and that's why I'm curious to see if it breaks or slips. Any and all thoughts are welcome (more so if you have experience with this in particular) and if anyone can break them for me pm me and address and I'll ship them out. I would like the breaks to be videoed if possible. Thanks everyone in advance I'll post pics when I get home
 
I think u should limit your curiosity to a break test by a manufacture. I'd hate to find out the results 60 ft in the air. I don't know about videoing it, but I know Samson, Yale, or New
England will break them for a little $$. Word to the wise, lay off climbing on them till u test them.
 
I guy I know in the UK spliced up some ArmorPrus (core dependent cord) with a class 1 double braid. Got some break tested and they went at 2.78 tonnes with a straight pull!

There is another guy called CraidD on Arbtalk from NZ who has tried ArmorPrus with a class 1 one end and a class 2 the other. The class 1 broke at 2.4 tonnes.

I guess it is different materials in beeline and hrc maybe? But it seems fairly good still on the ArmorPrus. Keeps the eye covered too :)
 
i appreciate the comments everyone!

If in fact they do hold up to 2+ tons what would be the problem climbing on them? What got me curious is the thread about the 8mm beeline cover (no core) spliced with a locked brummell. My main concern with the class 1 splice is slipping. I have a good bit of experience with splicing (I splice all my own gear) and i know that the class 1 splice is at risk of slipping (hence the need to lock stitch). What would be other factors that im missing? I know it is a core dependent rope so what would be different with the splice and just throwing a knot on each end? Again everyone i appreciate the comments im just trying to get as much criticism as possible here.
 
The problem with using a class 1 splice on a class 2 material is slippage while under load. If you are depending on lock stitching to make up for the difference you have a misunderstanding about what is holding your splice together under load.

A class 2 splice has twice the cover tail burry. This compensates for the more "slippery" fibers/construction/coatings.

Follow the manafacture's specs. No reason not to.

Tony
 
There is a thread that covers/discusses using a class 1 DB splice on core dependent cords such as Armor Prus, I believe the thread is called Armor prus 8mm.. worth a read.

I have spliced quite a lot of Armor prus 8mm as I use it for friction cord and I splice it with a Class 1 DB splice as a class 2 is too stiff and the bury too long which makes it not the greatest for a friction cord.
I have got my splices break tested, one cord broke at 1.7t and another at 2.2t (these were both class one DB splices on Armorprus), the splice didn't pull out or slip, the cord broke at the bottom of the eye were the most bend was. Also when using as a friction hitch, this doubles as both ends are terminated at same point.
Even still, I read some where (treetools blog I think) that the braking strength of the knot is around 11kn(1.1t roughly) so my splices as still stronger than knots, so I am happy to use them.

Also as BenR said, there is another user on Arbtalk that got his Class 1 DB splices tested and the broke around 2.8t.

I think you should always get your splices break/destruction tested before you climb on them, especially in this scenario

In regards to splicing bee line and HRC, I have only seen bee line been spliced with locking brummel.
I defiantly think that if you want to use a class 1 DB splice on a class to rope you should get in brake tested.

Cheers
Craig
 
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