Bullock block

Tom Dunlap

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I snagged this post from the Patrick O'Brian discussion forum...

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The Origins and Common Usage of British Swear-words
www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A753527

The whole article is a pretty good read. For this American, anyway.


A stronger British term for testicles, which rhymes with 'frollocks', is probably worth a guide entry of its own. To talk this word would mean to talk rubbish or to be misinformed, while to say something is 'the dog's...' (often gentrified as 'the mutt's nuts') would suggest it is the best there is. Legend has it that in the 1950s, construction kits like Meccano would be sold in boxes of various sizes. The list of contents which came with the standard size box would be headed 'Box, Standard' (which elided into 'bog standard' when spoken) and the larger box was the 'Box, Deluxe' which was spoonerised to create the phrase 'The Dog's B******s'. This is such a satisfying explanation for two common forms of British English usage that one really wants it to be true.

The word's probable derivation is so non-vulgar as to be quite amusing. Specifically, a bollock is a pulley-block at the head of a topmast, otherwise known as a bullock block. This was used to great effect to prevent the Sex Pistols' album Never Mind the Bollocks from being censored. A refreshing example of the legal system grabbing hold of the wrong reason and using it to do the right thing.

A 'B******ing' on the other hand, is a severe dressing down or ticking off. The reason for this is mercifully unclear.

Brits will say 'b******-naked' while Americans will say 'butt-naked'. Why Brits verify nudity from the front and Americans verify it from the rear is anyone's guess.
 
Now you're talking English Tom! /forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I knew I dealt with Bollocks every day, but not in rigging...Ha!
 
Here is another use of the word, maybe Lazarus you will know it.

Afraid to open my mouth: Shy, or too frightened to say anything. “I know she done it, but I was afraid to open my mouth in case I got a rollicking.”

As used in the Wenglish language(Cross between Welsh and English) Maybe be just a Southern or even Valleys talk???
 
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Ha Ha Ha ....... hoooooo ha!........Thats a good one Tino - me know something about fear of opening my mouth in case it got me a rollicking! /forum/images/graemlins/brows.gif /forum/images/graemlins/laughing.gif /forum/images/graemlins/lildevil.gif Not a particular skill the Punchard side of my family are noted for, but the Bavaresco side are masters, so maybe theres hope for me yet. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sorry! I'm sure you weren't trying to be funny, just tickled me.

I always thought rollicking was used by those that wished to avoid offending by using bollocking.

But I know what you mean about Wenglish! It is a source of great amusement to my Welsh friends with a wicked sense of humour. I think its great - why try and invent a word that doesn't traditionally exist in the Welsh language. Just adopt the english word with a twist.

My Dad was called Tino (Agostino). Is that your name too?
 
Maybe "playful" and "sport" mean something different over there too? Hahaha!

Here "rollic" is derived from "frolic". Maybe the person who originally used it that way knew what it meant over there and was playing a joke on us.
 
my mom grew up in in lancs, england a (metcalfe)and still is known to stump me or my friends with her language.. "listen bugger "i cant remember all of her lil phrases but theres more
my grandfather an english navy ww 2 vet had some rather interesting words that made us look at him with that huh? look
but he was to mean to toy with
i think my favorite was when he was real mad and said to a friend of mine if he saw him driving like that again he would be dead D-E-D. i guess the english cant spell when theyre angry.
lets hear it for pints of Tetley's Bitter!!!
ive been over a few times and love the fish/chips/beer and pastries at the bakeries or at the grocery store i think it was asda (sp?) ooh and milk in a glass bottle with cream on top so you had to shake it real good...yum
i like the english you rock!
 
I don't think frollicking and rollicking are related? Rollicking I guess is an old navy term, like most of our slang and colloquialisms, rollocks are rowing locks, but how you would get a rollicking I don't know.

Bollocking would be the rude version of rollicking rather than rollicking being the polite version of bollocking if you "get my drift" (nice naval term usage there)

Top Bollocks means something else to those without the vocabulary to say breasts!!!

And I'm not sure about box delux=dogs bollocks because "the cats whiskers" is a much older term for the same thing (best) so dogs bollocks is just a newer and ruder version of that.

Cats whiskers would most likely be naval too.
 
Dwi'n Da iawn, Diolch yn fawr, Gareth! /forum/images/graemlins/applaudit.gif

You don't spell like us Goggs! Not that I know much Welsh /forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif. But it is coming slowly. After all, I work with people in an area where it is the first language of 90% of the population (in winter!).
 
True. Its difficult to learn and is of little use outside of Wales and Patagonia. But understanding a little really helps with Briton/celtic history (place names etc). For example, it is a phonetic language; one theory that Avalon of King Arthur's time was actually Bardsey island, stems from the fact that the early Christian monks whom inhabited the island, grew and harvested apples (very rare in North Wales even today). So the island became known for its apples - Apple in Welsh is arfl (spelling???) pronounced arvul - hence Avalon - isle of apples. There are many place names in Scottish borders and North west England derived from the Briton/celtic language known today as Welsh. I think of Welsh as a link back to the celtic world, that was in many ways superior to the Romans - hence the roman's hell bent aims on destroying the celts (always referred to as Barbarians). There is now evidence that the roman road system was actually Celtic, adopted by the romans. They reached into Asia and the silk trade. No surprise then that the mummified remains of 3000 year old humans found in China, had ginger hair and wore tartan and celtic gold clasps. Plus sacred caves in Northern India showing similar age wall paintings of Celts. Its a pity they had to leave it to the Romans to write about them - written history is that of the victors bias alright!

Well, that was an intersting little trip through time and space don't you think /forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif !

Time to soldier on with work /forum/images/graemlins/bud.gif !
 
Afal is actually the correct spelling for apple. as Afalon was the original spelling of the word Avalon.

Did anyone see terry gilliams tv program about the so called barbarians the romans destroyed? very eye opening. they found that greek civilisation had invented a complex clockwork clock made from brass. this was while the romans were using marked candles.
 
Ah...Afal! Only had to ask my missus, but thanks for the correction Ed. Looks even more plausible spelt like that.

I didn't see all of Terry's programmes, but it was fascinating. Especially finding out why the Romans spent so many months picking a fight and seiging the celts stronghold in Gaul. Then, leaving a few of their number to be slaughtered by Boadicea, to slaughter the druids on Anglessey and cut out the spiritual heart, knowledge and wisdom of the celtic world.

The reason - gold. The Romans had no gold mines. The Celts had many over europe, and were very wealthy. The amount they were extracting was impressive for the population even by todays standards.

Terry's style just cracks me up, a real contrast with the seriousness and authenticity of the subject matter.
 

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