Black Diamond nForce - my first try - video added

It was about 35° when I got home. I stuck on two long sleeve shirts over my tee shirt, grabbed my gear bag, put on my helmet cam, and headed for my favorite tree. I rigged my PMI 10mm for a RADS - Video coming - watch this spot!

It is viewable but, it hasn't finished processing yet so the quality may not be as good yet as it's gonna get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlwjvnDtPz8

At first I thought me and the nForce wasn't going to get along at all. It seems that if you pull the handle of the ascender away from the rope a bit as you push it up, it won't grab. After playing with it low (while I impatiently waited for my wife to bring me my walkie-talkie that I forgot) I got the hang (no pun intended - yeah, right) of it and ascending it feels pretty much like any other ascender. Well except it advances smooth as butter, and behind the scenes, there are no razor teeth clawing the cover of the rope; just these little pointy thingys.

Since the nForce (I would have called it XForce because it multiples force) applies force in two ways, the conventional cam and a flexing frame to supplement the camming action, it doesn't need the long, sharp, angled rope shreaders that other ascenders use - well, that's the company hype if you know what I mean. But I'll tell you what, it sure releases quickly and advances smoothly when you lift up on the handle.

But that's not the best part; the best part is if/when you need to move it down the rope. You simply reach up with your index finger and pull the cam back, or you can use your thumb on the other side of the ascender; one is as easy and convenient as the other. And I had on leather gloves. The thing releases completely. I didn’t one time notice any hint that the cam was about to engage, as in pick, the rope, and it comes down freely and easily.

After the first pitch, I did a second RADS pitch hands only and was able to refine my stroke technique a bit to insure the nForce would engage properly. The trick was to use the index finger to apply a slight pressure to the cam and it’d hit the rope and do the rest on it’s own.

Would I recommend rushing out and buying one (or a pair) – no. Why? Hmmm, I don’t know why you shouldn’t rush out and buy one or two. Honestly though I’m not sure it has a lot of advantage over say a Heightec PMI XCam ascender. The XCam is kinda like an Ascension but has smaller, pointy, straight teeth that look a whole lot like a CMI Ultracender or Expedition cam. I think the nForce teeth are a bit smaller than the others I mentioned.

I only bought one, the left one, to use in a RADS. I’m thinkin’ I may try the nForce along with a PMI Xcam in a Texas sit-stand and see how they do. I need to do some more climbing on the nForce before I start drawing any real conclusions though.

It is reported that it nose dives, I forget exactly how that comes about but it is fixable by a slight technique adjustment, but I didn’t have the problem.

The thing is, it doesn't cost any more than more conventional ascenders, so if you were thinking of getting an ascender or replacing one...

I'll try to get some video on YouTube tomorrow.
 
Very nice vid and very well written topic on the Nforce Ron. The pinky is tendering up??? Ok, A tip for ya. Rather then triing to force it back in work more on keeping your hand in just a natural position as you push it up the rope. Not sure if I explained that right. When we shove an ascender up the rope we tend to roll the hand forward toward the rope and push up. When you push it up, try to keep your hand rolled back on the angle of the handle, in otherwords push the handle up and not the ascender. Does that make sence to ya??????

Watch the vid you'll see your thumb roll up toward the rope when you push it up. If you find the bottom rocks out clip the rope with the bottom biner to.
 
Great review Ron. Maybe it needs a bit of a "break-in period" to work out some kinks. I know some of my various mechanical devices have been like that. Keep em' coming.
 
Thanks guys.

Holly,
First, ya wanna check your PMs every now and then???

I'll check the video and see what you're talking about.

As for the clipping the rope with a biner, I doubt that would help because it just takes a little outward rotation to keep it from grabbing, but that's something else I need to take a look at.

I suspect the reason I'm rotating it outward a bit is to keep my little pinky off the rope.

This was the first time I've used it, so I'm sure there are some things I'll learn as I used it.

I'll tell you what though, I like it. The ability to freely and easily move that thing up and down the rope is just great! Well, at least really good. LOL.
 
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Looks cool, do they have a two rope-two handle model for a Drt system? I've been thinking of buying an ascender, but I was worried about them cutting into my rope.

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Not yet that I know of, but Holly actually put me onto this thing, so he can probably tell you.
 
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Ron, thanks for posting that. I saw that ascender a year two when it came out and I wanted to buy it just because of the novelty of the design.

I'm glad I saw what you're talking about the rope/ascender pinching your pinky. That's not cool, but like others have said, you might just work your way around it.

I also likes watching you thrust with the RADS. I tried it the other day for my first time and wasn't happy with how smooth is wasn't. I'll keep refining, though.

love
nick
 
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Nick,
Thanks Nick, and I have to admit, the novel design was part of my decision to get one.

RADS is funny feeling at first isn't it!

If everything is setup right, it should be smooth. It does take some time to get use to the arm stroke because it's on a 3:1 while the feet are 1:1.

FWIW, the 3:1 is so effective, you can go arms only with a bit of body thrust. It is especially useful if you can get the least bit of help from your feet on tree limbs.

In fact, once I make my entry pitch, I go hands only for subsequent pitches (RADS pitches that is). Although that's just for upper body exercise, not production stuff, but it's a tool that can be useful in production work. In some of my semi-production work, I've gone RADS completely and haven't had a problem.

Do give it a fair try; it should be smooth and pretty fast.

Also, you may want to take a look at a Heightec/PMI Xcam ascender. It's a more conventional design but it has cam teeth like a CMI Ultra instead of the long slanted teeth on Ascension and other ascenders. It's just kinder to the rope.
 
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BTW, Nick take a look at this, not that you'd ever need to use it, but I don't know any way you could duplicate this with DdRT. Notice everything advances as one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Tt9GnWUG8

and here's another RADS with a different ascender and a Grigri instead of a Cinch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo_hXvaKzVQ

Then, my latest configuration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84wcGIYgKxw

Pay no attention to my rope bridge - it's way too long.

Hmmm, you'd think I was being paid to advertise the RADS. Well, I'm sold on it. It's not the fastest or most efficient, but it has one of the best escape capabilities I've seen, it's relatively efficient and pretty simple.
 
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Too bad it only has one hole on the bottom. I like my petzl because I hook up my footstrap in one hole and I clip my uni to the other. Keeps everything tidy. Shame though, because it looks like an interesting design.
 

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