Bend Right Rigging Ring

rope-a-dope said:
Who can show how the splice goes with two slots on the same ring? Same as the two headed ring sling?
Hard to see from muggs pic.
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That's what i was thinking as well.. the two headed..

I think Brock would be a better candidate to explain it though.. or possibly @Boomslang ... Is that his correct handle?

Here's a diagram i screenshotted a while back.
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Brocky said:
Just got one of these, larger than the Beast. Nice price, not sure if it has the same type of anodizing as the x rings.
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Just to clear up something, 38x28 on the Beast X-Rigging Ring is simply the numbers for the big hole in the middle 38mm hole and 28mm for the grove trench.

Outside dimensions of current Beast ring made in the USA is bigger than the original that I had antal making in Italy.

Outside size of current beast is almost 100mm tall, around 98mm. Outside diameter.
Width is around 48mm wide.
The walls are a massive 11-12mm thick.

I'll take some pictures with a ruler and post next.

I'm not trying to hijack the bendright thread, but saw some mistakes on the XRR beast size discussion.
 
the fish eye lens of the phone taking pictures pulls in the view and makes it look 1 to 2 mm smaller due to distortion. Really need a verneer (sp) caliper to measure exactly.
 
shown here is the now "old", Notch beast ring, which was made to my fat specs and made by Rock Ex. Current rings now have no Notch logo, just X-Rigging Ring on them and now made by Harken (yes, the USA sailing tool company that's been around since 1967 that makes extremely high quality stuff like the winch for the GRCS). Harken made beast is these fat specs too. All rings went to the fat sizes once we decided to have them made in the USA the second year.
 
Thanks for clearing that up, David. Another mystery is the anodizing, is there anything you could tell us about it on the X Rings?
 
Brocky said:
Just got one of these, larger than the Beast. Nice price, not sure if it has the same type of anodizing as the x rings.
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Is that a beast Xring?

Also I like that people are making these bigger, cheaper...., etc.

Though Xman put out Xrings and took his time to put out educational info with them. How he mainstreamed the rings is what will keep me with Xrings.

Also on another note I’ve used the beast and a double beast sling, etc. These slings get there strength from the cordage they are spliced in to, so my question is with these getting bigger, etc how much practical benefit is there?

I’ll say cheaper is a benefit we have to consider however I thank Xman for the time he personally took out of his time for me specifically so I’ll stick there. Even if these new rings are nice
 
KevinS said:
These slings get there strength from the cordage they are spliced in to, so my question is with these getting bigger, etc how much practical benefit
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I believe it's more about the bend radius than actual mbs they are receiving..

Personally, I've never seen one deformed or broken no matter what size they are & I'm sure as shit ppl have done retarded things with them.. I'm pretty sure your Cordage will snap before these rings give out. (That i have seen)..

So, when you go up in rope size you need the ring to get wider & accommodate the need for a larger appropriate bend radius.. just like a pully gets wider as you go up in compatibility or like that new CMI ariel friction device, the bend in the rope is nice & wide.. it just so happens that, by design, these rings get stronger as you go up in size allowing for a generous breaking strength too..

Go big enough like that Fiori ring or possibly the Beast & you are then afforded other advantages like running a couple ropes through them, as long as the Cordage fits & is strong enough for what your doing.. see the Fiori video on YouTube. Don't feel like explaining.. ;) Pretty sure X man has a ton of examples on there too.

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Brocky said:
Thanks for clearing that up, David. Another mystery is the anodizing, is there anything you could tell us about it on the X Rings?
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Okay, I'm not sure what you don't know or what the mystery is, so I'll just try to cover everything:

The original X-Rigging Rings were made by Antal in Italy. Very high quality, very hard black highly polished hard-anodize. After a full hard year of using them at work and lots of brutal testing (I'm over the top when it comes to quality and not letting people down) , I utilized their marine ring current sizes and then asked them to make the beast size new ring and they did. The aluminum was good hard stuff and the hard-anodize was very hard. If you ever wore through the anodize with sandy ropes or muddy ropes, there was never a hard fingernail edge between the anodize and the aluminum. That was a "hater" thing that was used a lot, citing what can happen on a hard anodize over a SOFT aluminum. Complete BS when it came to these rings, wearing through did not create a dangerous scenario actually. They could get hotter and that's it. No dangerous sharp edge BS.

(I'm going to continue the writing of this history of the anodizing, I'm posting paragraphs as I go, because I don't want it to disappear and get pissed off that all that I wrote is gone)
 
step 2:
I agree to work with Sherrill, let them manage the rings and the new Safebloc:
Euro Marine, which was my North American distributor between me and Antal was amazing all of this time. A company with honesty and integrity. Turned away all the vultures that wanted to bypass me. Euro Marine appreciated my efforts to bring these rings into a whole different industry. Antal on the other hand, didn't seem to care about what I did and seemed to want to supply any tree guy that wanted to copy what I was doing. No thanks at all. Also...… it was a pain that they would take a month and a half off in the summer as vacation.

When Sherrill stepped in, they wanted them made in the USA, but the great thing was, they wanted the same HIGH QUALITY and so did I. I was worried, I'll be honest, I thought they might want to cheapen the rings. But I was so happy to find out, they let me be the one person to make the decisions on the hardcoat and the rings.

The new ring samples were cut by Rock-Ex, then hard-coated. I didn't like the "record" lines in the rings and the first dark grey hardcoat was completely soft shitt. The hardcoat company apparently met military specs...…….. what ever, it was shitt.

Again, these were samples guys, no one got these but me.

When I got samples I thought, this will take years to find out. So I gotta figure out a way to add thousands of feet of rope use really fast.

So I used big electric motors to run a continuous loop of rope through the rings, using original x rings as the control and the leading and ending rings as well.

I also put grit on the rope to speed things up. Rubbing compound.


Anyway, long story short, after many companies and many ring coatings that failed. FINALLY one hardcoat outlasted the original x-rigging rings. It was from a cryogenics company. It's rings had NO wear at all and the original rings had a patch of aluminum shining.

SO! We had a winner and Sherrill agreed to use this company to do the hardcoat of the Rock Ex made rings.
 
Then, they had a question, do you want them highly polished like antal or do you want a matte black. I said, "wow! I really love that friction in the crown and I wished the rings had more, so make them matte black so it grips the rope a little more."
 
So they did and the matte black did seem to have a little more friction. The bad thing was is that people are stupid and like shiny things. Some figured automatically that they must be cheap and not as high quality because they looked different and now made by Sherrill, yet I picked a hardcoat that lasted longer than the originals. Also the matte finish is like an extremely fine sandpaper.... so what ever it bumps against that is softer in hardness, it gathers that on the surface. A fingernail, aluminum, paint, mild steel. It all leaves a smear and people think that it is a scratch through the hardcoat and it's NOT. It is deposited on the surface. BUT, but, I had a few friends with the matte black rings say they wore through quickly on a rainy wet, muddy day. Well..... this can happen with the originals...….. so I'm not sure if this is just because they assume they are different or if really something is different; I'm still unsure honestly. I do wonder that if a rope is muddy, maybe a grippy matte black surface would grip the mud more and wear off faster. That seems like a possibility.
 
Anyway.... to the current rings in September 2018. The current rings (and safebloc) are made by Harken in the USA. The same Harken that makes the winch for the GRCS. The huge high quality USA company that started in 1967. They hard-coat anodize SO much of their products and have done so for many years. They are the pros in this country. I couldn't be more happy.

OH! I forgot some history. When we started making them in the USA, a small batch was made the same size as the antal ring sizes. Then I said, hey, IF we are making them, lets make them fatter and taller. Fatter for larger bend radius and taller to protect the sling in the groove more.

Honestly...… there was not a problem with the originals. No cases of shortcomings or failures. But if the dimensions could be improved for extreme use, why not do it? So, they are much wider and taller than the originals.

The new ones by Harken are polished and shiny too, like people like. They also do not have the Notch logo, just the original X-Rigging Ring logo.
 
Thanks David, for the history lesson and information on anodizing. I spliced a 3/4" on the Selden ring and it sticks up above the ring a little. The XRRs are definetly thicker with deeper groove, much better!

I wonder if the shape of the rings, and the way the rope runs over them doesn't allow them to form the sharp edge, like it can happen on belay tubes.
 
Ah yes, sorry. Brocky probably thought the selden ring was bigger than the Beast due to the poor description in treestuff. Where they say it is " 38mm ring size, 28mm sling groove", which is wrong. The hole is 38mm. The ring is around 98mm. In the selden picture, the XRR shown is the original medium sized XRR. The three sizes were, medium, large and X-Large (Beast). Shown was the medium. The new XRRs are way fatter and way taller BTW. Just same hole size and rope groove.
 
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