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Welcome to the Buzz Tim.
 
In light of this video, does anyone use a "back-up bridge"? Regarding the ability to slice a bridge with a handsaw, as well as other issues that have come up with bridge failures in previous threads, it has made me wonder if it makes sense to take an extra length of cordage, like 8mm beeline or something that I would have lying around, and tie a bridge with double fishermans knots to the connecting links for the bridge (the gold rings on the Sequoia in my case). If it was a few inches longer than the "primary" bridge, it would stay loose when the hardware (ring, biner, pulley) of my climbing system is loaded, but would catch in the event that the "primary" bridge failed or was cut.

Does this seem like a good idea, or just a hassle of extra cordage floating around your saddle?
 
For a safety meeting we tied an old climb line to our knuckle boom and tied the other end to a log to simulate a climber on a weighted line. We then took out a hand saw and lightly swung it into the line and it went clean through at contact. I never felt it touch the rope when the log hit the ground. I just swung the blade straight into the line I never even pulled it to simulate a cut motion. Its a good way to get the chills on a hot day.
 
Samurai Ichiban, definitely worse than it looks went to the bone, severed a nerve, lost range...
It was the result of working fast and being pissed off at groundie who was off chatting on the phone. If your head isn't right, your judgment is impaired.

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I think NOT cutting one's self is an indicator of climber maturity. When you slow down a little and NEVER face the blade toward a rope or your body when it's moving, you won't cut yourself anymore.

And I TOTALLY agree that pole saws are frikking seriously dangerous, more so than chainsaws.
 
i have nicked my hand a couple times. Never that bad though. I have a bad habit of not letting the saw do the work and with the last stroke putting too much force into it and slapping my leg with the saw (with out dragging it luckily) every time i do it i stop, make sure i didn't cut myself and then i say a few harsh words to myself. Then i slow down. I have found that every time i have gotten myself with my hand saw i was in a hurry.
 
I never lanyard in while handsawing.

I should say, "I USED TO never lanyard in while handsawing."

Never again.

Sobering vid. Thanks for posting it!

love
nick
 
There are four rules i take away from gun safety, and i apply these rules to both chainsaws and handsaws.

Always keep the chainsaw/handsaw pointed in a safe direction.

Know your target and what is beyond.

Know how to use the chainsaw/handsaw safely.

Be sure the chainsaw/handsaw is safe to operate.
 
Never use a lanyard while handsawing?

Why?

Rope under tension severs really easy... we're supposed to all know that already. It doesn't take a sugoi, the sharp edge on a gutter will cut it just as fast when there's weight on it.
 
someone here mentioned an extra rope bridge to prevent cutting it trough.

I've been using since a couple off years an extra rope bridge. When the system is loaded the extra bridge is loose and when you should by accident cut into the bridge the loose 6mm dyneema globe 5000 will hold.

The whole idea is that you double secure when sawing using double loop or your lanyard and the only point off attachment is the single ropebridge thats allways in harms way by the handsaw ;-)

better safe then sorry

see picture, a part off the double ropebridge is in there

climb safe
wouter
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That is why I am also starting to tie in with my lanyard too when using my handsaw close to my climbing line. These tri-teeth saws are just too sharp. Sometimes it’s not just a chainsaw that you need two tie in points for.

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I'm not a climber but I have been reading all the books and working with a friend that owns a tree service recently as a ground guy. I am mostly a firewood scrounger and get a lot of the storm damage stuff.

I am confused on the 2 tie in points. Last week my friend did a removal where the trunk went up about 6' and then split into 3 trunks. He spiked up the tree using the lanyard but he also was tied in to his climbing line that was on one of the other "trunks".

I came home that night and saw the "helicopter logging" show on TV where there are 3 climbers that climb the trees and top them for the helicopter to pick up.

I never saw one of them tied in anywhere but with their lanyards. I thought "wow, if they accidentally hit the lanyard they would fall"


So, what do you do on a single stem where there's no way to tie in twice?
 
My guys all think its funny when up there talking to myself. I think it realy works for me to say it aloud to yourself so your brain hears what you are thinking. Look out, heads up, check and double check, careful on this one, if I do this this is going to happen, do I really want to make this cut hear, can i do this in a safer way etc. Anybody else practice this talk out loud.[ QUOTE ]
Worse thing is, just before the injury happened and I mean like one second before, I was thinking that I have to be real careful with this follow through cut.



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YES AND YES!!!!!! I have full blown conversations aloud with some trees if I'm not 110% confident that I know whats up with the work that day. I could care less if it makes me seem crazy!
 
It's a little efford and cam make a big difference. The blade off the handsaw pulled out is allways closer to the bridge especially with the long TM ropebridge. Better safe than sorry ;-)
 
It's one of the things I like most about climbing. You can talk, sing, shout. No one can hear you with chainsaws and chipper goin'. Singin' Christmas carols in July is one of my favorites. When things get kinda scary, singin' really loudly can take my mind off the danger and allow me to move fluidly through the task rather than overanalyzing everything. Cursing at the boss makes me feel better sometimes too.

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My guys all think its funny when up there talking to myself. I think it realy works for me to say it aloud to yourself so your brain hears what you are thinking. Look out, heads up, check and double check, careful on this one, if I do this this is going to happen, do I really want to make this cut hear, can i do this in a safer way etc. Anybody else practice this talk out loud.[ QUOTE ]
Worse thing is, just before the injury happened and I mean like one second before, I was thinking that I have to be real careful with this follow through cut.



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I was going to use KMIII as a 2nd bridge for back up but its way too bulky.

I have a good length of Ice tail.. would you guys recommend using this? Once again, it would just be a back up to my main bridge, like Treestyler showed above. (Sorry for all the questions, but I'm relatively new to climbing!)
 
I think I would prefer the KMIII but the Ice will knot better. Try one, then the other, choose the one you like best.

I don't think one is particularly better than the other and since it's a kinda new application, you have to test it yourself.

My secondary bridge (backup only) is a dyneema runner I hooked in when the Vectran bridge failed... I just left it on and replaced the busted Vectran with a piece of Polydyne as the main element.
I should replace the runner, just haven't yet.
 
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