Bartlett Antidote rope

Bartlett's Antidote is indeed a color variation of Samson Hyperclimb. Bartlett confirmed that when I inquired about the specs.
150' came in a Samson Hyperclimb bag w the product label showing Bartlett's name.
I milked 59½" from it right out of the bag.
Bartlett said to buy 16 braid if I didn't want that much milking.
Waiting for a response from Samson.
Do you always milk your new ropes? I'm asking out of interest, not as a negative comment. In all my years, and all the ropes I have bought, I have not done such. Out of the bag or box and into the tree they go. By the time any excess cover begins to annoy me, the rope is ready to be replaced.
Curious as to how the rest of the world does things.
 
Started doing that out of curiosity after being annoyed with the springiness on SRS with "low elongation" Drenaline. Milked 26" from it and from Voyager. By comparison, Xstatic 14".
BTW, removing the slack cover from Drenaline had no perceptible change in bounce. Waste of a rope bag.
Haven't used the Antidote- think it's going back to Samson.
 
I must be an odd duck. I have never even paid any attention to springiness of one of my climbing ropes. Some are a bit easier on my body than others, usually ones with a bit more stretch, but I have never been all that fussy about what I'm using. Hyperclimb is currently one of my favorites only because it is low cost, plus it works well with my gear.
If you cut 50 some inches off your Hyperclimb jacket I would reconsider sending it back. That would be a pissy thing to do.
 
Bartlett's Antidote is indeed a color variation of Samson Hyperclimb. Bartlett confirmed that when I inquired about the specs.
150' came in a Samson Hyperclimb bag w the product label showing Bartlett's name.
I milked 59½" from it right out of the bag.
Bartlett said to buy 16 braid if I didn't want that much milking.
Waiting for a response from Samson.
I haven't tried hyperclimb/antidote yet, but I wouldn't think too much of the cover milking you've experienced. I milked 68" off brand new marlow vega 200' between 2 passes and it's been the best double braid I've ever used. Last hank of blue moon I purchased I milked about 48" of cover off.
 
I must be an odd duck. I have never even paid any attention to springiness of one of my climbing ropes. Some are a bit easier on my body than others, usually ones with a bit more stretch, but I have never been all that fussy about what I'm using. Hyperclimb is currently one of my favorites only because it is low cost, plus it works well with my gear.
If you cut 50 some inches off your Hyperclimb jacket I would reconsider sending it back. That would be a pissy thing to do.


Bounce in a rope creates more work when you have more rope in the system. If you have an Basal tie with a TIP at 90', you have 180' of rope in the system. If you are unweighting, then tensioning your system, such as sitting in your saddle, climbing up on spurs, then retensioning your climbing line to sit to work, you have to manually re-stretch your rope, or climb higher than your working position, then sit until you get stretched back down to your working position.


Washing ropes removes some of the manufacturer's braiding was, which is slick.
 
Bounce in a rope creates more work when you have more rope in the system. If you have an Basal tie with a TIP at 90', you have 180' of rope in the system. If you are unweighting, then tensioning your system, such as sitting in your saddle, climbing up on spurs, then retensioning your climbing line to sit to work, you have to manually re-stretch your rope, or climb higher than your working position, then sit until you get stretched back down to your working position.


Washing ropes removes some of the manufacturer's braiding was, which is slick.
I think there is a point where some people get too finicky about such things. Really, is it that much work to have to climb a couple more feet because of stretching? At the end of my day it will not have made a hill of beans difference.
There seems to be a new breed of climbers out there these days that spend more time worrying and contemplating technical data about their equipment rather than actual climbing.
 
JIC there's interest in what Samson's product mgr for arbo ropes replied-- that miking should be 0.5% to 1.0%.
At 3.3%, mine was considered excessive.
 
Do you always milk your new ropes? I'm asking out of interest, not as a negative comment. In all my years, and all the ropes I have bought, I have not done such. Out of the bag or box and into the tree they go. By the time any excess cover begins to annoy me, the rope is ready to be replaced.
Curious as to how the rest of the world does things.
I milk the fuck outta my ropes. I want cover and core to be the same. I run fast hitches and hate baggy shit. The improved preformamce is huge.
 
I like very low stretch rope with no baggy cover. A rope I have finally gotten to like is Km3max.....first hank sucked but got a NAOM special run that was indeed fast as rasshole. Smooth as butter wrenching. Just ordered the black edition with yellow tracers.
 
I think there is a point where some people get too finicky about such things. Really, is it that much work to have to climb a couple more feet because of stretching? At the end of my day it will not have made a hill of beans difference.
There seems to be a new breed of climbers out there these days that spend more time worrying and contemplating technical data about their equipment rather than actual climbing.
With more and more options, there’s more room for fine tuning to climbing style and preference. Another factor is price. Overall, our gear is more expensive than what other trades pay for theirs when you consider product lifespan. Therefore, I’m going to do the research and get picky about what I’m using.

At one time I was making pennies in the field and climbing every day, so I spent a lot of evenings learning the ins and outs of the gear so no penny was wasted.

On a friend’s recommendation I bought a hank of mercury. It was so bouncy it was unnerving (srs canopy anchor, 85-90’). I sold it immediately. Otherwise, I can climb on about anything I’m handed and make it work, but I still have preferences. HTP is a favorite of mine, though I know it’s not too popular. Extremely static and cable-like. For me, elongation isn’t terrible, but if it interferes with my ascent rhythm, it's out.

I’m rambling, been a long week and I have a long drive home today, but to wrap- once I understand technical data and have experience with the various options in the field, I’m quite interested in that data when making a purchase. You strike me as someone who believes that a little forethought means peace of mind when it’s go time. I will concede that some do sit in conjecture rather than field test or at the very least dig deeper with the manufacturers. To that end, if anyone has questions, they should be seeking answers.

I’m kinda wondering if this (my) post is even relevant. Need coffee.
 
This Antidote may have a bulkier core or cover.
Poison Moon is supposed to just be a different color scheme of Blue Moon, but when I got a sample of Poison Moon from Ropes.com it was slightly heavier and flattened less than BM.
It think though, that Poison Moon only was made for one production run, and now all what's left, is what's out there.

I don't know why people use boots for anything, except if their using gaffs. And, hiking boots, I stopped wearing those decades ago. Shoes provide more energy and eventually even better stability.

I have like 6 pairs of the Adidas R2 Swift GTX, very durable and capable shoe.
 
This Antidote may have a bulkier core or cover.
Poison Moon is supposed to just be a different color scheme of Blue Moon, but when I got a sample of Poison Moon from Ropes.com it was slightly heavier and flattened less than BM.
It think though, that Poison Moon only was made for one production run, and now all what's left, is what's out there.

I don't know why people use boots for anything, except if their using gaffs. And, hiking boots, I stopped wearing those decades ago. Shoes provide more energy and eventually even better stability.

I have like 6 pairs of the Adidas R2 Swift GTX, very durable and capable shoe.
Here we go again…

Boots are better, and safer for working for a variety of reasons. The biggest being the safety that boots provide, which other shoes do not. Increased impact and sharp-object protection is a big one, ankle and more arch support are two other big ones.

In 20 years, you’ll understand when you’re hobbling around. Or more likely, you won’t understand, you’ll just complain about your foot problems.
 
Here we go again... not seeing the big picture, and/or being closed minded. If one is stump grinding, or air spading, or you guessed it, wearing gaffs/spikes, boots can be ideal/safer. Shoes can have just as much arch support, outsole strength, and guess what even steel toad. Meanwhile being more agile to move quicker to avoid getting injured, where a boot may be irrelevant to the possible injury, being not swift/agile enough, to avoid catastrophic injury.
Shoes seem more ideal for pruning large expanses of a crown? Or take down of a large crowned tree, unless need of gaffs is ideal?
It was implied that if one wears shoes enough in treework (and hiking), they will develop sufficient necessary muscles [and arguably more important, muscle motor memory] to have unaided ankle support, to the point will they won't need to rely on boots to do treework, in situations where gaffs aren't necessary.

If I cut from top, or near top of extension ladder, I'm not going to cut unless I'm tied in with a lanyard. Is the implication that one shouldn't cut from top of extension ladder ever?

OTHER, seemingly discerning people, HERE, are concerned about having a rope that flattens minimally (by reason of milking it well), or dare we let it be understood, that if many could have a rope that doesn't flatten, they would by deduction prefer a rope would never flatten under normal use situations.

Why are we so distracted from the topic of different rope color scheme of seemingly same ropes, by same manufacturer? Was that not the first thing mentioned in the post.
 
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I'll be the nerd that mentions ANSI. The main boot requirement listed is that it covers the ankle. While rolled or twisted ankles are a concern (which are risks some have said can be trained away), the other concern is contact, or struck-bys. Ankles that are boot-supported are less likely to be broken during an incident. I've seen logs roll onto feet and ankles, mini skids drive over the outside of the foot and up the ankle, and feet get stuck in rock formations while the leg twisted. The boot protected the ankle from almost certain catastrophic damage in each scenario.
 
Here we go again... not seeing the big picture, and/or being closed minded. If one is stump grinding, or air spading, or you guessed it, wearing gaffs/spikes, boots can be ideal/safer. Shoes can have just as much arch support, outsole strength, and guess what even steel toad. Meanwhile being more agile to move quicker to avoid getting injured, where a boot may be irrelevant to the possible injury, being not swift/agile enough, to avoid catastrophic injury.
Shoes seem more ideal for pruning large expanses of a crown? Or take down of a large crowned tree, unless need of gaffs is ideal?
It was implied that if one wears shoes enough in treework (and hiking), they will develop sufficient necessary muscles [and arguably more important, muscle motor memory] to have unaided ankle support, to the point will they won't need to rely on boots to do treework, in situations where gaffs aren't necessary.

If I cut from top, or near top of extension ladder, I'm not going to cut unless I'm tied in with a lanyard. Is the implication that one shouldn't cut from top of extension ladder ever?

OTHER, seemingly discerning people, HERE, are concerned about having a rope that flattens minimally (by reason of milking it well), or dare we let it be understood, that if many could have a rope that doesn't flatten, they would by deduction prefer a rope would never flatten under normal use situations.

Why are we so distracted from the topic of different rope color scheme of seemingly same ropes, by same manufacturer? Was that not the first thing mentioned in the post.
Don"t worry about these prima-donna sissy fucking arborists. Back in my younger days I would sometimes show up to work extremely hung over and without boots. Some here might suggest that it's unsafe and unprofessional to use Chuck T's for spurs climbing, but what the hell do they know?
 

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