Any updates on the rope runner 2?

Simpleiowaguy · Feb 17, 2017

Was wondering if there have been any updates or when it will be released?

Dave Rohach · Feb 17, 2017

Don't worry too much, there'll be a feeding frenzy, when they hit the market! Then TreeBay, will have at least 3-10, for sale after a month of being used. The same thing happened when the RR1 hit the market. The Cheddar will go through the roof, when it finally happens!
I'm making an assumption that Rock Exotica will have to get at least 8-12 months of hard sales of them before they eventually release the bigger sale item "The Akimbo". It's a vicious cycle that we have to get accustomed to, but the Arb Co's make the rules and we just drool like a bunch of Crack Addicts waiting for them to give the "Okay". But, as I stated earlier, that's the life of an Arborist/Forester/ Arboriculturist. Hang in there, we may get to use them before our walkers show up from Medicare!

Simpleiowaguy · Feb 17, 2017

Dave Rohach said:
Don't worry too much, there'll be a feeding frenzy, when they hit the market! Then TreeBay, will have at least 3-10, for sale after a month of being used. The same thing happened when the RR1 hit the market. The Cheddar will go through the roof, when it finally happens!
I'm making an assumption that Rock Exotica will have to get at least 8-12 months of hard sales of them before they eventually release the bigger sale item "The Akimbo". It's a vicious cycle that we have to get accustomed to, but the Arb Co's make the rules and we just drool like a bunch of Crack Addicts waiting for them to give the "Okay". But, as I stated earlier, that's the life of an Arborist/Forester/ Arboriculturist. Hang in there, we may get to use them before our walkers show up from Medicare!

Oh I know the name of the game all to well. That being said. I'm definitely not waiting all the way until middle of 2018 for the akimbo. Just curious if anything will have an actual release date or close approximation.

Dave Rohach · Feb 17, 2017

I seem to recall a comment from Jaime that the Akimbo would be released around January 2018, don't hold me to that, but I was half asleep when I read the thread. Unfortunately, Rock Exotica has the final say in the matter. Big Business makes the rules, we just try to abide by them. [emoji1596]the rules!

Steve Connally · Feb 17, 2017

I think rock shot itself in the foot on the RR2. Sales are gonna be low caus the akimbo is all the hype rite now.

Dave Rohach · Feb 17, 2017

That may be a tough decision, it may postpone the release date of the Akimbo by 4-8 months, remember they're not in the business of losing money. The bottom line is Profit! I would love to see the release dates closer to one another but the almighty $$$, is what makes these companies revolve. Cross your fingers, Steve. But by no means, hold your breath!

Dave Rohach · Feb 17, 2017

I'm hoping Jaime gets all of his money up front for the design and copyright fees. That's what really matters, is that he doesn't have to wait for any monies owed. Our voices aren't going to account for much, unless there's a boycott. But, we don't work that way, we want what we want, whenever we can get it. To better our lives and careers. This is strictly my opinion, and we all know that famous adage! Opinions are like Assholes', everyone's got one!

Steve Connally · Feb 17, 2017

But mine doesn't stink! I wish I had done the go find me 100%. But I didn't and eventually he's gonna want the demo back.

Steve Connally · Feb 17, 2017

I was told I'd get a rr2 demo to test. I guess my name fell of the desk into the circular file.

Simpleiowaguy · Feb 17, 2017

Steve Connally said:
I was told I'd get a rr2 demo to test. I guess my name fell of the desk into the circular file.

Atleast your name was on a desk..... Try being a fat guy??? It doesn't even matter what settings you guys find that work usually, I have to figure it all out on my own. LOL

Scottyrunner100 · Feb 22, 2017

Any idea if the RR1 will still be manufactured after the RR2 is released?

SomethingWitty · Feb 24, 2017

Scottyrunner100 said:
Any idea if the RR1 will still be manufactured after the RR2 is released?

If I had to hazard a guess, I would say only briefly. Once the 2 starts selling, that will stop.
The RR2 should have some sort of legitimate certification, and is supposed to fix all of the real issues that the RR had. (Poor tending point, a billion pieces when you move it)

Scottyrunner100 · Feb 24, 2017

I imagine there will be some good price drops on the RR when the RR2 hits. A lot of RR's out there, surely replacement parts will be available for quite a while.
Has anyone out here used a RR2 prototype and have comparisons to the RR?

CutHighnLetFly · Feb 25, 2017

......You all keep waiting......My head will be amongst the clouds ripping my bulldog bone

Scottyrunner100 · Feb 25, 2017

CutHighnLetFly said:
......You all keep waiting......My head will be amongst the clouds ripping my bulldog bone

Got an adjustable BDB, really like it but waiting on a multicender with some type of certification for a chance at aerial rescue for Fire Service use.
Will something like the RR or Akimbo ever see NFPA certification possibly? Would be awesome if so.

SomethingWitty · Feb 25, 2017

Scottyrunner100 said:
Got an adjustable BDB, really like it but waiting on a multicender with some type of certification for a chance at aerial rescue for Fire Service use.
Will something like the RR or Akimbo ever see NFPA certification possibly? Would be awesome if so.

Definitely, one day. It's the future of rope access and positioning.

treebing · Feb 25, 2017

I will have to check but I believe that the NFPA requires the device to handle a two person load for a rescue and a dynamic two person load as well. It may have to undergo some design changes for that certification. or some clarity. I wouldn't feel comfortable with two 250 pound people on one runner. Or some changes made to the certification accommodate the device. One thing the runner is good at is having two devices operate on one line. So the rescue options are such that you should not need a two people on one device. simple use two devices on one rope. We are looking into the options.

Scottyrunner100 · Feb 25, 2017

treebing said:
I will have to check but I believe that the NFPA requires the device to handle a two person load for a rescue and a dynamic two person load as well. It may have to undergo some design changes for that certification. or some clarity. I wouldn't feel comfortable with two 250 pound people on one runner. Or some changes made to the certification accommodate the device. One thing the runner is good at is having two devices operate on one line. So the rescue options are such that you should not need a two people on one device. simple use two devices on one rope. We are looking into the options.

Mr. Bingham, thanks for commenting.
I will try to attach a couple of NFPA files about load ratings.
I'm thinking something rated such as the Petzl I'd, it is NFPA G rated, but in order to decend with a two person load extra friction is required. The zigzag and hitchclimber I believe have similar requirements but of course neither of those are NFPA rated.
The Department I'm with does have I'ds which were just recently added. Something w/o a NFPA stamp is a hard sell even though a RR, BDB type device would be much more user friendly (strictly an opinion) for patient access than the I'D.
I'm also a fan of the DRT tread of yours Mr. Bingham. Using two lines is a step in the right direction for Fire Service Aerial Rescue.

Scottyrunner100 · Feb 25, 2017

I believe there are other Buzzers that have Fire Service backgrounds that are familiar with trying to use anything w/o a NFPA stamp.
I'm no authority but from my limited experience obtaining training within the ARB community I believe it would be a rarity to perform a pick-off type rescue pertaining to a Tree Rescue. Most likely another anchor & system would be utilized.
Thus NFPA "T" ratings should be sufficient for a Technical Rescue Team trained appropriately for Aerial Treetop Rescue.
All this should be in another tread I'm sure...my apologies.

Steve Connally · Feb 25, 2017

All Nfpa items have to be able to be securely locked off. Think of the ID or a simple repel rack. Can be locked or tied and locked. Not likely the runner or zz could achieve that rating and you are absolutely correct on the load ratings for rescue. That's why everything fire rescue uses is big and clunky.