ANSI 101

I'm trying to find out what time and where the meeting is. The people at ansi have no idea and no one at ISA is answering the phone today. So when and where is it?
 
Researching this topic is great. Tom, Tim, Mahk and Mark are among the few Buzzers who are to be commended for their efforts to educate us. When I learn how to link I have threads dating back past '05 that are frightengly similar to this one with great information. Maybe this thread will become an ANSI Z133.1-2006 clearinghouse that will get us motivated to act.

So far the hot issues that repeatedly show up are:
One Handed Chainsaw usage
Rope Diameter
Prusik Diameter
Saddle issues

Does anyone remember what the 2000 Z hot topics were? I think it would be interesting to see if they have changed.
 
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. Who will the MAA rep be? UMASS is already duly represented, so I would hope the rep would not come out of academia. No offense to those who are offended by that remark.

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Can't name names, but he is a Tree company owner with lots of experience being on committees, and certainly the right guy for the job.
 
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I'm trying to find out what time and where the meeting is. The people at ansi have no idea and no one at ISA is answering the phone today. So when and where is it?

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Here ya go banjo,

Z-133 Committee Meeting
October 30, 2008
Westin Providence Hotel
Providence, Rhode Island
 
Ok, this got the creative juices flowing. I am researching with a purpose now, to get a base educated, motivated, and involved. I didn't realize how ignorant I was of the actual process. I would like to interview as many of you who have participated or participate currently on the ASC as possible over the next couple of weeks. Is Ethel Hugg still with us? I want to keep it positive, and make it informative.
 
From 8.1.8
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EXCEPTION
In arboricultural operations not subject to regulations that supersede Z133.1,

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Maybe I owe an appology to you HÖLLENREICH. Does this line confuse anyone else? What does this mean and where is it referring to? OSHA?

The utility section does,'t reference it as far as I can tell. I see the confusion now.

Where are the UK and Euro standards, any links? I don't think we are in the stone age in the US, just a flatter learning curve.
 
An OSHA standard would supersede the Z.

In this case it is specifically referring to 1910.269 where it says that the minimum diameter for arborist’s climbing lines is to be ½ inch.
 
Thanks, I will look it up, does it specify during any specific activity?

And I quote:
1910.269(r)(7)
"Rope."
1910.269(r)(7)(i)
Climbing ropes shall be used by employees working aloft in trees. These ropes shall have a minimum diameter of 0.5 inch (1.2 cm) with a minimum breaking strength of 2300 pounds (10.2 kN). Synthetic rope shall have elasticity of not more than 7 percent.
1910.269(r)(7)(ii)
Rope shall be inspected before each use and, if unsafe (for example, because of damage or defect), may not be used.
1910.269(r)(7)(iii)
Rope shall be stored away from cutting edges and sharp tools. Rope contact with corrosive chemicals, gas, and oil shall be avoided.
1910.269(r)(7)(iv)
When stored, rope shall be coiled and piled, or shall be suspended, so that air can circulate through the coils.
1910.269(r)(7)(v)
Rope ends shall be secured to prevent their unraveling.
1910.269(r)(7)(vi)
Climbing rope may not be spliced to effect repair.
1910.269(r)(7)(vii)
A rope that is wet, that is contaminated to the extent that its insulating capacity is impaired, or that is otherwise not considered to be insulated for the voltage involved may not be used near exposed energized lines.
1910.269(r)(8)
"Fall protection." Each employee shall be tied in with a climbing rope and safety saddle when the employee is working above the ground in a tree, unless he or she is ascending into the tree.

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=standards&p_id=9868

From our friends at the Electric Power Generation, Transmission, and Distribution.

Do they accept Recommendations?
 
I'll save you some time:

1910.269(r)(7)(i)
Climbing ropes shall be used by employees working aloft in trees. These ropes shall have a minimum diameter of 0.5 inch (1.2 cm) with a minimum breaking strength of 2300 pounds (10.2 kN). Synthetic rope shall have elasticity of not more than 7 percent.
 
One step ahead of you. Why the strength difference? Again with such concern about cleanliness (which is next to Godlyness) and water, why not look at the smaller doublebraids with the tighter cover braiding pattern. Makes sense to me. There were some other strange fall protection language earlier in the directive. If we had our own OSHA standards, would they supercede this?
 
Remember that it takes a long time to make an OSHA standard, and, often, longer to change one. The 1/2"/2300 pound requirement has been there a long, long time.

There was not likely much thought put into it. Most likely, it was taken from the, then, current ANSI standard.

When we have our own standard, it will be the first place and CHSO will look.
 
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Remember that it takes a long time to make an OSHA standard, and, often, longer to change one. The 1/2"/2300 pound requirement has been there a long, long time

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Change is comming. Don't we hear that on the TV non stop from one candidate or another? Why not take that approach in our industry? You guys have been working on the Z for decades, OSHA seems to be bending now, strike while the iron is hot. We have a machine in place already in TCIA and the ANSI Z133.1-2006 (with revisoins of course). This forum is stuffed with information and there are many others who aren't on the Buzz that are working it from other angles. It really shouldn't take a long time, not the way information can be interpreted and exchanged today.

Join the movement.

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Way to go ISA! And Sharon Lily. HUGE help on this topic. Now we're making some headway.

I just got off the phone with Sharon Lily, the Secretariat of the Z. The names aren't published anywhere other than the list in the front of the Z that only lists them as members. Thanks to these posts (that got their attention)and Buzzer/Committee member Mike Dirksen there will soon be a place on ISA's website that lists policys and procedures to an extent, voting members, task force information, etc. This will be developed soon.


The conversation I had with Sharon was enlightening, a wonderful amount of information was SHARED, no one leveled attacks or took it personal. She never felt the need to defend herself or the committee. Never felt the status quo of the Z133 was to good for improvement or adequet, she described it as fluid and dynamic. No Secrets she said. Very proactive. Making changes to make things happen. Not defending the way things are the way they are.

The vertical standard OSHA is seeking will be a long time in the making, we do need to act. As Sharon noted, once OSHA writes it down, it may as well be carved in stone.
 
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