another Bandit rant

If you've followed my posts over the years (and who hasn't?), you'll know I am a strong advocate for Bandits, but that I've had a few issues that really bugged me (rubber fuel lines on diesel was a big one, since biodiesel ruined mine--I called the engine manufacturer before purchase to confirm it was BD-safe, but it never occurred to me that Bandit would screw me up on that one).

I have a new issue (overlapping an old one).

For several years, I've had issues with overheating. It got worse over time. I figured out early on that the radiator was right at the front of the machine (and the back of the truck), so dust was dumping directly into the radiator and clogging the fins. Short of a pretty large undertaking to disassemble the box, there is no good way to clean it out. I complained to my Bandit dealer and he sent me a fan to push air from behind the radiator rather than pull it from in front of the machine (on the theory that it wouldn't be pulling dust off the back of the truck into the fins). Not much help, and since I took a few years complaining about it I was out almost a hundred bucks to find that out.

So I finally pulled the radiator to have it cleaned. I took it to the oldest radiator guy still working, I think (he said he was 76, so I probably exaggerate a bit). He told me all the reasons why this was a terrible radiator for my machine:
1. the fins are too close. At 14 per inch, they don't have enough space between them and the dust can't pass through. He said most outdoor equipment has 10 per inch.
2. plastic tanks. He said bending the tabs to remove the tanks generally causes cracks in the core that can't be fixed, making this a disposable for all practical purposes.
3. undersized. One more row in the core and even partially clogged it would have worked better. Why cheap out on such an important part?
4. (and this is one I've already ranted about many times) they painted the radiator when they sprayed the machine after it was built. So, in addition to buying the wrong fuel line (because it was swollen from the biodiesel and looked like it was a size bigger, and paint hid the numbers on the old hose) and having to call the dealer every time I needed a part because the numbers were hidden, I now realize the cooling ability of this machine has been compromised from the beginning because the paint was interfering with heat exchange.

The old dude cleaned out the dust, removed the paint, welded a couple of pinholes closed, and told me to just live with the problem (I suggested getting a junkyard radiator in its place, but he couldn't find one the right size). If I don't replace the machine in the next year or two, I will be pulling the radiator to have it cleaned out again. I also replaced the fan with the original and added an air conditioner filter over the front of the box where it pulls in the dust. All in all, not that big of a deal and I still think Bandits are best for chipping. I just really get chapped every time I think about all the little things that have been so annoying, yet could have so easily been avoided.

Incidentally, the cost for patching and cleaning up the radiator was $25 and a couple of hours listening to his stories. It pays to find those old guys sometimes.
 
Two bits to get it repaired! Wow! That's the guy I want to deal with.

I found the same thing on my last two chippers, Vermeer and Bandit. When the radiators needed repairs I had them recored with coarser fins. The repair shop said the when the sawdust collects between fins and gets wet there is an acidic reaction takes place and corrodes the fins. having bigger holes between the fins makes it easier to blow out using an air compressor.
 
I had the same problem so I made cleaning the radiator an every other day requirement. I first did this at the car wash...oops. There I was for an hour with a jacknife bending the fins back into position. As part of jobsite clean up I'd take my backpack blower to the radiator and that kept it pretty clean. My over heating was also attributed to the nice mechanic who replaced the fan at one point...and put the new one on backward so for a week I was just paddling the air around rather than cooling the engine. Something worth noting. Bandit 150 btw. I kept razor sharp blades in it and just took good care of it and it produced nursery grade chips I had no problem getting rid of.
 
Same thing as Whiz! We clean the front screen about 15 times a day during the job. This has eliminated the overheating. Our older Bandit does not do this - the radiator screen is more to the side. Just clean that screen religiously thru the day and it will not overheat.
 
I never understood the over generous paint jobs. Also a newer bandit I've used had a issue with the exuast opening on the engine shroud. When it would rain water would flow down and saturate the starter and fry it.
 
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I'm not a fan of Bandit's customer service, or lately their materials and workmanship.

We're phasing out all non-Vermeer equipment.

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That's interesting. Maybe it's a regional thing but I HATE Vermeer. Ours is always over priced, they never have the parts and always screw up the stuff they fix. Also, vertical feeder wheels are stupid. Nothing like a branch swinging left to right acting like a 300 pound Louisville slugger (shout out to my boys at limbwalker with that reference) instead of a more easily avoidable up and down motion with wheels that can be opened up with a yoke litft.

I would really like to see a side by side comparison of brush bandit to Vermeer. I don't know much about the machines other than what I've experienced. Our brush bandit is amazing and chips everything but to be fair, it was a brand new machine and it's an 18" compared to the Vermeer bc1230a. I'm in the market and would love to get a side by side on another thread.
 
In a side by side with the right guys runing them Vermeer would eat that bandit alive. Besides the fact their's is 10 times safer. There is a company in Point pleasent you can call about the bandit, ask them about the guy that almost got Castrated by it. The over under wheels are way more unforgiving then the side by side. You want a real beast try the woodsman.
 
If the operator is positioned correctly when chipping the horizontal feed wheels pose very little hazard to the opertor (pieces going up and down). The Vertical wheels of Vermeer on the other hand pose a much higher hazard (pieces swinging side to side) even if the operator is positioned correctly (to the side of the tray).

holly: you are not supposed to stradle the brush as you chip it, if you do you deserve to loose your acorns.
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I think my biggest complaint with the Vermeer feed wheels is that they don't have a yoke lift for bigger pieces.

I agree. Verticle feed wheels cover much more area of swinging creating a larger danger zone. They spent all of that time and money developing safety features but yet they have the most unsafe feed wheels in my opinion.

I do notice that our bandit loses little things here and there. Stupid welds on the cover, little doors for the engine oil came off. It's little stuff but still it's annoying. Other than that we have only had to replace the clutch once and an ignition module.
 
I just got done demoing the V and B 6" chippers...redemoing actually. The second demo was heads up.

We took down a live oak and only cut the limbs small enough to get on the trailer to get them to our wood yard. Then, my boss and department heads chose which branches to go into either chipper. The ones, or parts of ones, that didn't go through the V did go through the Bandit. The 6x12 beats the 6x6 no matter the engine size.
 
6" chippers are a joke, are they running a rental yard? ..we can't use that side by side comparison to decide on a brand....

Both brands are great machines..each have there troubles...It really should boil down to service and parts availability. Here in KC its hands down Vermeer...they have parts in stock, they have loaner chippers if you have a large repair, and the service rocks....None of that can be said for the Bandit dealer....therefore the choice is clear....
 
Not a joke, Brandon! For my needs on campus the 6" is all we need. We spent our first hour chipping today and I;m happy with the Bandit.

After talking with buddies in the area they all say that Bandit is the machine to have. I do agree, service is what counts.
 
After having 2 chippers screw up on one very small job today I think SERVICEABILITY is what counts, if I can fix it with a 10 min trip to the local hardware or auto parts store than thats the chipper I want. Our ConeHead is like that, very basic. I hate our Vermeer BC 1000XL last year we chased a problem for a month, it would feed for about 30 min, then only reverse, the service guy was here twice then it ended up I talked with him over the phone several times until we solved the problem.

one more thin I don't like about our vermeer is the fact that tinyest little twig left between the knife and the cutter bar will prevent you from putting it in gear, thats what happend today except it was a chip buried in the head preventing the head from turning completely so I couldn't get it out, spent 20 mins at the end of the day with a sledge hammer and a bar turning the head to free the chip.
 
We use to use bandit chippers and found an indespensible tool for cleaning the radiator. A 2 foot length of 1/4" copper tubing with an adaptor to fit your garden hose works very well. Bend the last 1"-1 1/2" into a 90 degree "L" and you can easily access most of the engine side of the radiator-the garden hose will produce enough pressure to "blow" the debris out without bending the fins.

As for chippers, we used Brush Bandit and Vermeer and found many shortcomings and complexities with both. We purchased a Woodsman and have been incredibly well pleased. They are simple, and very heavily built. Their feed wheel system (although it takes a little getting used to) is bullet-proof and has nothing to give you problems.
 
I am a Morbark guy all the way...their chippers rule...total work horse. A guy i work with called it the angry beaver (because of the picture on the side) so the nickname stuck.

I agree with the other comments above about the vermeer chippers. The vertical feed wheels are total lame sauce IMO. Plus I don't like all the plastic that is on it.

This is the one that I have used quite a bit
http://www.morbark.com/Equipment/SpecSheets/M15R.pdf
 
My coworker and I got done chipping 300+ cubic yards of brush in about 4.5 hours with the Bandit 65.

A few splinters of wood got jammed in the doghouse. Now that we know that we need to send a 'sweeper' branch in with some of the short chunks we'll reduce the time needed to stop the machine and jack up the infeed roller.

I'm satisfied with the performance of the machine.
 
i run the feed wheels backwards just before shutting the vermeer down. seems to be less of that tiny stuff some how camming and locking the drum down.
 

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