Acronyms

[countryboypa31]

I talked with Tim Bushnell this weekend and the point of how confusing acronyms are becoming. He said that for the purpose of ITCC rules they are just going to start writing it out. After seeing a few of these threads i have to completely agree. Why not just spell it out since we are creating so much confusion with all the acronyms?

 

[twig]

can you give a example please?

 

[oceans]

To be quick a crude about it...

SRT (Single Rope Technique/Stationary Rope Technique); can mean on is climbing with just one rope configured in a multitude of ways, or that the climber is on a stationary line, anchored off in a remote location from the climber and has 1:1 efficiency.

SRWP (Stationary Rope Work Positioning); The means of climbing on a stationary line with 1:1 efficiency using a device that allows seamless ascent and descent (without changeover).

DRT (Double Rope Technique); Climbing with two independent lines which could be stationary, dynamic, or any combination thereof.

DdRT (Doubled Rope Technique); The arborist technique that involves 2:1 efficiency by doubling a line over a branch union and anchoring one end (standing end) to the climber as the other (working end) passes through an adjuster (hitch cord, mechanical device), which is also attached to the climber.

 

[countryboypa31]

Ddrt, doubled rope technique.
Drt, double rope technique.

I can see how people would get confused

 

[Tom Dunlap]

DdRT

 

[guymayor]

"DdRT (Doubled Rope Technique); The arborist technique that involves 2:1 efficiency by doubling a line over a branch union and anchoring one end (standing end) to the climber as the other (working end) passes through an adjuster (hitch cord, mechanical device), which is also attached to the climber."

Pardon my ignorance, but if my working end passes thru a knot (friction hitch) on my tail (tail),

1 Is there no 2:1 efficiency?

2 What is the system called, using one rope? or two ropes?

 

[Tom Dunlap]

DdRT uses one rope but it's doubled over and the ropes moves with the climber

SRT one rope also but the climber moves on a stationary rope

 

[treebing]

I think the biggest problem is the use of the term Single Rope Technique as a technique that excludes other forms of Single Rope techniques. If you call it Stationary Rope Technique, that makes sense.

Here is a grammer question, why is it Double Rope technique and not Double Ropes Technique?

 

[Tom Dunlap]

It's not necessarily about grammar. Don't forget the history to came before us that we're following. DRT came directly from rock climbing caving many decades ago. Changing history doesn't make
Sense to me

 

[Frax]

It's not necessarily about grammar. Don't forget the history to came before us that we're following. DRT came directly from rock climbing caving many decades ago. Changing history doesn't make
Sense to me

We could just say 'two ropes' and 'doubled rope". That's not confusing at all. But you are all right. Too many ideas and suggestions and the terminology that is already in use has a lot of strong roots on it. Not easy to change.
I'm happy enough if I know what I'm doing.

 

[guymayor]

History may not change, except in the telling , but terminology must evolve to remain useful. 'Two-rope..."says what it is. Using the term 'double' with two different meanings in one profession seems needlessly confusing.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

'D'ouble'd'=Dd

 

[Tree Access]

The acronyms are one thing, the meaning of them another one.
Writing out the terms will not clear the confusion about the meanings.
Doubled Rope is a confusing and somehow misleading term, thats what the other "acronyms" thread is about. DdRT is a fomr of SRT, and thats not just a problem of the acronyms.

 

[oceans]

Again, this is why I always thought Static and Dynamic are best because they describe the config.

 

[John_KAYS]

I have seen people writing out double rope technique and meaning 'doubled'. The confusion does seem to go beyond the Acronyms.

 

[treehumper]

Ddrt was described to me to mean Dynamic doubled rope technique. That made it clear as to the set up.

It's time a convention of all rope access professionals was convened to establish the standard nomenclature for all acronyms! This could take years to settle!