A fine day of climbing...

[Zebco Kid]

Hello All,

I hope the weekend finds you well.

I'm just buzzing from a nice day of recreational tree climbing. I am a regular visitor to this forum. I learn a great deal, and pickup lots of interesting ideas.

When I climb, I like to try at least one new technique during my outing to keep things interesting.

Today, I employed the 2:1 advantage while limb walking while climbing SRT. I added a Clove Hitch above the Rope Wrench. Clipped on a carabiner. Ran the running end through the carabiner. Worked really nice.

I also fabricated and employed a small aluminum device that allows me to deploy the Rope Logic tether to the Hitch Climber with a Slic Pin (Idea came from Bino H.). The device works great.

Cheers.

ZK

 

[DBH]

Just want to make sure I understand what I’m looking at- that clove hitch with the carabiner is essentially a fixed anchor point off of which you’re running a now moving system to make it easier to manage slack on return from limb walk? Very cool thanks for sharing. Enjoy that tree buzz- nothing like it!

 

[Zebco Kid]

Yes. That is correct. There are some mechanical devices that you can attach to the rope, then insert a carabiner. I don't have one, so I went with this technique.

ZK

 

[DBH]

Love it- anyway to use what gear is already part of the kit…

 

[Mike Islander]

Would you consider a Prusik/Biner combo?

 

[CTtreeNWC]

Wow, ur rw setup looking much improved from earlier posts and I've never used a clove like that. Good technique with minimal gear.

 

[Zebco Kid]

Would you consider a Prusik/Biner combo?

Hey Mike,

I did have a prusik/biner combo...but I found there to be unnecessary slop in the multiple biners. My intention is to use a quickdraw from the rock climbing world to shorten up the entire Rope Wrench setup. I'm hoping that a 26" prusik will be adequate in a more compact space. Also...the fabricated piece with the Slic Pin is really slick. It's so easy to attach and remove.

This part of the sport is really enjoyable. As my education (experience) progresses, I'm figuring out what works best for my climbing style and comfort.

 

[Mike Islander]

Hey Mike,

I did have a prusik/biner combo...but I found there to be unnecessary slop in the multiple biners. Also...the fabricated piece with the Slic Pin is really slick. It's so easy to attach and remove.

This part of the sport is really enjoyable. As my education (experience) progresses, I'm figuring out what works best for my climbing style and comfort.

I meant instead of the clove/biner.

 

[Dan Cobb]

Today, I employed the 2:1 advantage while limb walking while climbing SRT. I added a Clove Hitch above the Rope Wrench. Clipped on a carabiner. Ran the running end through the carabiner. Worked really nice.

I believe that arrangement is a (theoretical) 3:1 advantage. Pulling upward on the leg of rope between the pulley and the carabiner is a 2:1 system. The carabiner functions as a redirect (or non-moving pulley if you prefer) and does not increase the mechanical advantage. However this is that peculiar situation where the load (climber) is also exerting the pulling force for the system. When you pull the rope, you unweight yourself by, for example, 60 pounds by direct pull. The 60 pounds is also on both legs of rope through the hitch climber pulley. So 60 pounds of pull lifts 180 pounds; 3:1 MA.

 

[Zebco Kid]

I meant instead of the clove/biner.

Actually...I forgot about that option. I think that would be good, as it allows you to move the biner. With the Clove Hitch, you're committed until you retie. Thank you for the reminder.

 

[misfit]

That Rope Wrench tether attachment seems more complicated than necessary, but maybe there is an advantage I am not seeing. Here is what I have been using for years. I just found two standard washers that fit the Rope Runner Slic pin perfectly, drilled a small hole in them both, and tied a short piece of throw-line to connect them. The throw-line allows me to take off the outer washer without worrying about dropping it, and it also can serve as a tending point. I just connect it to the top hole of the pulley.

 

[Zebco Kid]

Misfit,

Just when I was looking for Angel Investors, you innovated me right out of a job! I like it.

However, for those looking for something along the lines of the device Bino H created, and I copied, Here are some pics and details:

The tools are a drill press (can be done with a manual drill, as was my first prototype). The grinding wheel has a course and fine.

The parts details (grid lines in photo are 1")
Slic Pin for Rope Wrench
Aluminum Flat Bar 1" x 1/8"
Slic Pin Hole - 3/8"
Tether Hole - 5/16
Aluminum Sides : 2-1/4" x 1"
Holes - 1/2" from end and 1/2" from side
Bolt (we hex end) 1-1/2"
Spacer (nylon or stainless) 1"...cut to match Rope Wrench inside dimension
Cap (Acorn) Nut - 5/16"
Washers (split and flat). Split goes on Cap Nut side of assembly.


Instructions: Basically, I measured, marked, and drilled (pilot hole only) the first side before cutting. Then I cut it, and used it as a template to create the second so they would be exactly the same.

It's a bit tricky, but I put a metal screw in one pilot hole to hold the pieces together, then drilled one to the proper spec (3/8"). I then used a 3/8" bolt, washer, and nut to hold the two sides together firmly for the next 5/16 hole.

I used a 1" diameter washer to provide the proper circumference to the ends. I lined the edge of the washer with the end of the piece and sides of the piece. I used a push in to scratch a line. I used a laundry market to color in the part that needed to be ground off.

I used the course grind, then the find grind on the wheel.

I finished with sandpaper to take off any burrs of metal.

I assembled, and went out to play in the trees.

If you have any questions, feel free to follow up.

 

[flyingmosstreen]

a notch quickie works a treat in this situation. but if you have the bits lying around and the time to experiment

 

[Zebco Kid]

Jeepers. So many great ideas. Somehow I was looking at an older idea map, and took the long road. Good idea.

 

[Mike Islander]

I tried to Quickie but didn't like how it affected alingment of everything. Settled on a DMM XSRE (4 kN rating). Been sitting in the bag for a couple of months, as I haven't done any Rope Wrench climbing lately. The large shrink tubing is just to orient/smooth it.

Not life support, but probably not secure enough to ultimately use. Also, the shrink wrap on the biner itself is for noise reduction, something that might not last a day. The whole thing may be a disappointment. We'll see.

 

[Njdelaney]

Yes. That is correct. There are some mechanical devices that you can attach to the rope, then insert a carabiner. I don't have one, so I went with this technique.

ZK

You can also do this with a prusik. An eye to eye or a loop. The upside is that you can add it while the line is under tension and slide it towards and away from you, which you cannot do with a clove hitch.
Edit: I should have read all the replies before adding mine haha

 

[Lupin_IV]

I tried to Quickie but didn't like how it affected alingment of everything. Settled on a DMM XSRE (4 kN rating). Been sitting in the bag for a couple of months, as I haven't done any moving rope climbing lately. The large shrink tubing is just to orient/smooth it.

Not life support, but probably not secure enough to ultimately use. Also, the shrink wrap on the biner itself is for noise reduction, something that might not last a day. The whole thing may be a disappointment. We'll see.

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What is the purpose of the xsre in relation to moving rope climbing in your system?

 

[Zebco Kid]

This is a neat method, plus you can retrieve it remotely.

This is great stuff. As a recreational climber, the creativity and versatility is part of the buzz. I imagine in the professional world, it’s what makes you effective, efficient, valuable, and heck…you get the buzz too!

Can you tell if that’s a large or small ring? Does it matter? Is one more versatile?

Thank you.

 

[Mike Islander]

What is the purpose of the xsre in relation to moving rope climbing in your system?

Pre-coffee posting. Rope Wrench climbing. I use a RRP for everything, which is just recreational. Bought the Wrench and then it got cold.

 

[Njdelaney]

What is the purpose of the xsre in relation to moving rope climbing in your system?

I think he uses it to make detaching the RW tether easier if switching to MRS