3/8" tenex

Re: 3/8\" tenex

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The Brummel that is shown in the loopie from Samson is that locking or not, because that is the one I did.

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Loopies don't have a brummel. It's a strate bury, nothing to 'lock' in place.
 
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I've got 8mm bee line coming in the mail shortly and i saw the thread with it splicing. Is the core just like hollow braid rope? Similar to the tenex i have been splicing? And if it is, should I get some maxy dip to finish off the exposed eyes?
 
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Ok I have a question about the locked brummel and locked brummel in the eye and eye directions. The locked brummel in the first one says to use only 1 fids worth of bury with out a tapered tail but the one in the eye and eye uses about 2 fids worth with a tapered tail. Both of these instructions are from Samson. I was wondering does it matter about the length buried just as long as its 1 fid? Does it matter if its 1 fid with a tapered tail? I'm getting my rings in today and I’m getting ready to splice my friction saver and I want to be absolutely sure that I can use the eye instructions. I know there might be a bit more tail so that it crosses over in the middle for the eye and eye instructions but I just want to make sure it’s going to hold and is safe for me to climb on. Thanks a bunch.
 
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Jman- beeline core is a very loosely woven 12 strand hollow braid. Very similar to the tenex you are used to, but also very different. I would definitely get something to coat the eyes.

Can you post a link to the specific directions you are talking about in your last post? I think you might be getting confused on one of the details- I want to know for sure before we try to get you on the right path.

love
nick
 
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This is the locking brummel with the one fid bury.
http://www.samsonrope.com/site_files/12-Strand_Tenex_and_Tenex-TEC_Whoopie_Sling_Splice.pdf

And this is the other with the longer than 2 fid bury and a tappered tail. Its the eye and eye one. I understand that there is more tail to bury so it can cross over and get the same thickness thoughout the seye and eye, I'm just wondering what is a safe bury since there is a bunch of different lengths.

http://www.samsonrope.com/site_files/Eye_and_Eye_Tail_Splice.pdf

My friction saver is going to consist of 3/8" tenex with a locking brummel on one end and a 3 wrap 6 coil prussik for the other. To terminate it i was thinking of using a double fishermans knot.
 
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Jman- in the second set of directions they are just using the long tail to create the consistent thickness.

A one fid bury would be fine if you are using a locking brummel as shown in the first directions you posted.

The knot on the end would be a fine way to finish the friction saver. You might consider a 3/1 or 4/1 distel. It would be a little more compact than a 3 wrap prusik.

What material do you plan on using to serve as the prusik?

love
nick
 
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the same 3/8" tenex. I tested the 3 wrap prussik, ill have to test the distel real quick before i splice my rings into them.
 
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I just tried the 4/1 and the 3/1 distel and it doesn't give that reliable hold, i know the 3 coil prussik is a little bulky but its giving me reliable holding power.
 
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Haven't seen anyone weigh in on the Toss Wand
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. I personally think it is the only way to go.

We use it on all our splices though I must admit that a pusher type might be better in some ropes.

As for our Tenex and other 12 strand eyes we prefer to go with the brummel. There has been some discussion as to whether it stresses more than a traditional but haven't found anything empirical, just opinion.

The Thing we like about the brummel is the lack of creep.

Once spliced we load the splice and then use leftover zingit to serve over the entire brummel and an inch or so down the bury. Gives it a good "armor" and further locks stuff down.

FWIW take a look at a bow string and see how they have served it.

Although we haven't "served" the eye itself yet, I think that may be something worth trying.

Lots of opportunity to use up those shorter pieces of Zing-It, I'm sure!
 
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Well I've gotten pretty good with splicing the tenex. I still have a few questions though. First, Will Samson (the maker of my tenex rope) do strength tests? I'm still half worried about my splices holding and would like to see a few of them go to a test to make me sleep well at night. Second, I've tried finding some information on certified splicer but there is not much info on the net about it. I have yet to call the rope manufactures about it, but is it worth perusing? Reason being I can't use my homemade spliced friction saver or any of my spliced rope while at work because it’s not certified. I know it’s probably going to be a little more than I want to do but it might be an option.
 
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Jman- who do you work for? There is no over-viewing body that certifies splicers. Companies will, for a fee, do a break test if you so desire. Yale also has a S.P.L.I.C.E.R. program where they will break your splice and say if it passed minimum requirements or not.

Do they have certified knot tiers in your company that tie everyone's blakes hitches?

love
nick
 
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I work for Bartlett, and so far the certified splicer is hearsay from a buddy of mine I work with. I really need to have a sit down with my safety coordinator because i want to send some stuff out. What kind of fee are they asking to break your splices? I spliced a few things for fun and I now have an idea of the size and length I want to make more of them.
 
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I've gotten ranges from 6 breaks for $150 all the way up to $100 for one break. Companies typically won't break rope unless it is their rope, so if you are using tenex, call Samson.

First I'd talk to your safety coordinator and see what they would consider acceptable, then take it from there.

love
nick
 
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Yale also has a S.P.L.I.C.E.R. program where they will break your splice and say if it passed minimum requirements or not.

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Nick, last time I ordered the S.P.L.I.C.E.R. kit, Yale was very cautious of who the end user was going to be. I don't believe it is readily available to the general public anymore, or at least they were contemplating that thought a few months back.
I'll check tomorrow on the status of the program.

Mark
 
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It'd be good to check. I remember asking about it a while back and I got a similar response to what you're describing.

I'd like to hear what you find out.

love
nick
 
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The Yale S.P.L.I.C.E.R. kit is no longer available to the end user but you can still order the splicing tools. It sounds like in certain situations it can be available but you almost need to "qualify" (my words) to buy the kit.

Mark
 
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Look in the phone book for local cable & rigging suppliers. There's a place near Asheville that does cables and whatnot for cranes. They have a machine to test the stuff that they make. They may charge a small fee, but maybe not. You just have to ask them nicely.
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I also have local places here that break for me occasionally. Jman, it might be enough for your employer if you have a splice or two broken there and bring back a form for them to file away.

love
nick
 
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