Jamin, the ol'timers used the cross-cuts to saw the undercut and backcuts, but relied on the axe to open the face. Chopped it out. Mostly conventional style, but once in a while you'd see the face chopped from the bottom, Humboldt style. But that was in the latter years just before the chainsaws came on the scene. The ol' timers started realizing the advantages of the Humboldt. But it was very difficult chopping at that angle. If you can imagine.