Request: end line knot for heavy loading

[Maplegeddon213]

I'm looking for a knot/bend/hitch that ties two ropes together by their ends, can be very heavily loaded, and then untied easily.

I have used two bowlines in the past a couple times before I learned the Zeppelin Bend, recently had the Zeppelin bind down on me very hard after a very hard pull and don't remember if the two bowlines had the same problem. Ideally it wouldn't matter if the two ropes had somewhat different diameters.

 

[Muggs]

Brion Toss recommended the Strait Bend. It makes an alpine butterfly (lineman's loop) in two ropes. I've never tried it.

 

[27RMT0N]

Hmm. Tying to ends together is something I very rarely do, but have done both two bowlines and a zeppelin without too much trouble untying. I have however heavily loaded a butterfly as a mid-line attachment point at least and struggled to undo it.

We need a 'how not 2' youtube channel for just tree work stuff....

 

[Muggs]

Personally I like a tapered toggle through the middle of a zeppelin bend.

 

[Maplegeddon213]

Hmm. Tying to ends together is something I very rarely do, but have done both two bowlines and a zeppelin without too much trouble untying. I have however heavily loaded a butterfly as a mid-line attachment point at least and struggled to undo it.

We need a 'how not 2' youtube channel for just tree work stuff....

Felling taller trees with a redirect to the loader or truck I sometimes run out of rope.

 

[Maplegeddon213]

Brion Toss recommended the Strait Bend. It makes an alpine butterfly (lineman's loop) in two ropes. I've never tried it.

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Will have to try this, thanks! Extra points for looking cool.

 

[Chris Schultz]

Fisherman’s with a piece of hardware in between?

 

[evo]

I haven’t done this in a long time but my go to is sheet bend variation.. Mechanically a bowline with two ropes.
The hole is one line and the bunny is the other then with the tail tie a second.
For super critical loads a loose fisherman’s can be tied with the tails or a double over hand capturing the other leg. I’m sure a Yosemite can work just as well.

 

[southsoundtree]

A bollard in the middle might be better for preserving strength.

 

[Mick Dempsey]

Two bowlines with a bight.

 

[data farm 26]

Grapevine knot is what we use

 

[evo]

Hmm. Tying to ends together is something I very rarely do, but have done both two bowlines and a zeppelin without too much trouble untying. I have however heavily loaded a butterfly as a mid-line attachment point at least and struggled to undo it.

We need a 'how not 2' youtube channel for just tree work stuff....

“How not 2 do tree work”

 

[Serf Life]

Triple granny knot with a sledge loosener.

 

[Serf Life]

Grapevine knot is what we use

That loosens easily after a big load?

 

[data farm 26]

Good question, I didn't read the full context. I've only used it to adjoin 2 climbing ropes.

 

[kludge]

Another option is a sheet bend (same knot as a bowline) with long tails. Then use the tails to tie a few hitches to stop the line from slipping. The line that is simply going though the 180 bend is most likely to slip and is the one most in need of backing up, but if I am going to load it hard I will back up both.

Additionally, the sheet bend is good for different size lines. The heavier line is the one that is supposed to take the 180 turn.

 

[evo]

This person calls is a twin bowline bend. Works great with similar diameter lines, and lots of backup options. Probably not needed but does take a little fiddling to equalize. And has lots of backup options.
Just more clear than my daughters apron in the photo above.

 

[Treetopflyer]

I’ve never had trouble using a zeppelin bend , must not be pulling it hard enough to bind it up.

 

[DRBetz]

I've had the most luck with the Zeppelin bend, even after putting a big pull on it I've never had a problem getting it united. I used the twin bowline shown above as well with good success.

Unfortunately I've ruined some rope after pulling hard on an alpine butterfly.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

“How not 2 do tree work”

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