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Running a 572 in hardwood with a 32” bar would make for a very not fun day around here. Just sayin’
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Matias
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We have oaks here too, but I agree- when the 32" bar is needed in hardwoods, I put it on the 395 and get some work done.
chiselbit
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I have 2 mastermind ported 400’s , both wear 28” bars. They handle it just fine.
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Yeah and eucalyptus out there too. Try it with a dead euc. I doubt it would be good for more than in a pinch. Try it with something like hedge or rock hard maple out here. Also no bueno. The growth cycle is harder on trees with the winters. I’ve cut some out there and some down south. The hardwoods seemed softer.
I’m not nearly the brand homer that some seem to be. If a saw is good and I like it I’ll run it regardless of brand. But yes there are far better choices for a 32” bar than a 572. 395 is definitely one of them. The 572 is much more comparable to the 460/461 that the op was talking about. In fact it’s probably the most comparable “modern” saw. Heck a 462 with upgraded springs will own a 32” but again I’ve tried it and it’s not great. Those are all great saws, but when I need 32” in my neck of the woods I want at least an 80cc saw for regular use at that point.
Serf Life
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For sure, not gonna ask a 60cc class saw to pull 32”. OP asked about 70cc class and someone just had to muddy the waters… I increasingly care about weight when looking at new saws, weight
ower of the 400 sounds really tempting. 66.8cc but lighter than 562xp. As to your point though, depends on what bar length the quiver needs.We run 550xp1+2 saws and the diff in weight is noticeable. If there is firewood to buck up or 16” hardwood etc I’ll totally grab mk 2, if swamping brush the mk1.
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We have sugi lightwt full skip 28” on 440mag which is pretty happy combo for here. Red oak and hard maple it chugs along, softwood it flys
Uh, do it all the time..
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Sometimes you don’t know what you don’t know until you do. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
For reference. I was on a job for over a year working on and off with another outfit and there were a few 400's on site...We were in predominately reds and firs, with a few live oaks and madrones. The stock 400's (69cc) were not comfortable pulling anything over 24", but my lowly beat to shit 562 (60cc) was pulling a 28" all day. My 572 (71cc) which would be the closet comparison cc wise simply ate the 400's for lunch. Same goes for the 395/661 comparison. My 395's where pulling 42's and the 661's didn't want anything over a 36". My experience has taught me that cc for cc and $ for $ Husky's just have more grunt and oil much better, wish means they pull more bar. We all work in different eco systems so we all have different needs. What matters to me is that when I am chunking down a spar for mill logs my saw is pulling the longest bar possibly so I don't expend a bunch of energy walking around because I don't have enough bar. I personally could care less about a few ounces here and there, especially when those ounces are being shaved off by the use of more and more plastic..For sure, not gonna ask a 60cc class saw to pull 32”. OP asked about 70cc class and someone just had to muddy the waters… I increasingly care about weight when looking at new saws, weight
We run 550xp1+2 saws and the diff in weight is noticeable. If there is firewood to buck up or 16” hardwood etc I’ll totally grab mk 2, if swamping brush the mk1.
I would add that after witnessing this with his own eyes the owner switched to Husky's for his larger saw needs, and saved money in the process
That being said the 400 is a dandy little saw, and I have considered grabbing one for myself.
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Matias
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I almost forgot what the point of this was.
Thanks for your concern, but I’m good for now. I will certainly call you in the future if I ever need some lessons in sawmanship, or sharpening chain.
Shadowscape
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Husky / Stihl
Out of the box I will take a Husky as they stand now as I think Stihl has over engineered their saw to be light and electronic, which makes them too delicate and finicky. My 2¢ for what little it is worth.
Husky / Stihl
Out of the box I will take a Husky as they stand now as I think Stihl has over engineered their saw to be light and electronic, which makes them too delicate and finicky. My 2¢ for what little it is worth.
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Shadowscape
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There is a reason I like my 20 year old saws. If something goes wrong and I am having trouble with one, I can spread some newspapers on the floor and in the evening take it apart and repair the problem, so it is ready to go the next day.
The saws you buy today, where they are trying to stuff as much new technology and electronic chips in them are a total pain in the ass if something goes wrong. It then becomes, haul it into a service place and they will get it back to you in say a week or two. No thanks. I can replace a fuel line, install a carb kit, change a plug, put in a new oil pump, swap out a clutch assembly, swap a sprocket, or even swap a piston and cylinder if need be while watching To Kill a Mockingbird.
No, you can have your auto tune, chip run, fuel injected crap. Just remember, when you are waiting for your service tech to figure out what is the matter so they can order the right circuit board, I will be out there cutting away with old Betsy. She might be a little slower and heavier, but she will still be running strong when your 2023 saw will be in your bone yard.
The saws you buy today, where they are trying to stuff as much new technology and electronic chips in them are a total pain in the ass if something goes wrong. It then becomes, haul it into a service place and they will get it back to you in say a week or two. No thanks. I can replace a fuel line, install a carb kit, change a plug, put in a new oil pump, swap out a clutch assembly, swap a sprocket, or even swap a piston and cylinder if need be while watching To Kill a Mockingbird.
No, you can have your auto tune, chip run, fuel injected crap. Just remember, when you are waiting for your service tech to figure out what is the matter so they can order the right circuit board, I will be out there cutting away with old Betsy. She might be a little slower and heavier, but she will still be running strong when your 2023 saw will be in your bone yard.
Jehinten
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My 261 MMWS came with the bar and chain. I assume that they all do.
Great saw by the way, it's been my favorite saw to run. Randy builds a quality saw from my experience
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Sadly I am just a guy who doesn’t know what I don’t know, and probably won’t know what i don't know until I do know. I should probably go “educate myself” on all things pertaining to the operation and maintenance of chainsaws.
And I think you missed the part where I said I want a 400?
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Now if it can't handle softwoods, it will be a huge turd here in my tropical hardwoods. I need torque not chainspeed. I always hear people raving ported saws. Honestly they have no place in tropical hardwoods either. Since I have gotten the 372 and 395 and 3120 this becomes more evident. Stock these saws just eat hardwood, screaming. I will buy a 572 this year and see how the autotune rips. I like Erik's advice on all things saws. I like stihl saws alright but something about huskys I love......
THe US simply do not have true hardwoods. Even oak, walnut and cherry are softwoods compared to Casaurina, Pride of India or Lignum Vitae. I tried the whole lightbar setup and those bars would heat up so much and cause resin to cake on them binding chains....I would clean them up and try again.....same rasshole....dumped them quick....stihl reg bars are great. The woes of real hardwoods.
picture 1, dead casaurina removal 13 years ago on DdRT, 2nd picture 3 years ago on the tippy tops of another casaurina removal 3 years ago prob during covid.....and 3rd pic on my dad's hometown volcanic island at a waterfall I was 20 I am on the right....next pic big spliff maybe 20 years old too. Was a real wild one......
