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Taking it one step further back in history, or maybe 5 steps, there is the well publicized and undeniable fact that there were 95 million contaminated doses of the polio vaxxine put on the market from 1958 to 1963. These vaxxines were conataminated with SV-40, a Simeon or monkey virus. This virus is so carcinogenic that it is used to cause certain types of cancer in lab rats. The real shame of it is that the contamination was discovered in 1961 but the infected products were left on the market for another 2 years, for fear that a recall would scare off the public from taking vaxxines.

There are plenty of studies showing that 100% of the tumors biopsied (primarily non-hodgkins lymphoma as I recall) contain the SV-40 virus. ANd of course the industry has tried to over it's a$$ by creating studies that find there is no increase in the incidence of cancer in the effected populations etc..

I believe there is a strong possibility that there are one or two members here at TB that have cancer caused by those tainted vaxxines.

Less well-known is the zoonotic transmission of the XMR? mouse virus through vaxxines, which has been described in detail one of the researchers who blew the whistle on that safety breach. She states that the epidemic of chronic fatigue syndropme in middle aged women in the 1980s was a result of these tainted vaxxines, and these infected women would pass the virus on to their children who were at greater risk of developing childhoos cancers etc.

I believe Stanley Plotkin, considered the godfather of vaxxines, stated under oath that there was also a pig virus that made the jump to humans through tainted vaxxines.

He was intrumental in developing immortal cell lines from aborted human fetuses to be used to as growth medium for viruses in vaxxine production. There used to a 9-hour video of a deposition he made under oath that would turn your stomach...

And last but not least there is a documentary book and movie called "the River" that makes a very well-supported argument that HIV made the jump from Chimps to humans after chimps were used to manufacture an experimental polio vaxxines in the belgian congo, under colonial repression, given to about a million unwitting victims, in the late 1950s. PLotin was there working with a tean from the University of Pennsylvania under Hilary Kaprowski. And of course once again the scientific community went into CYA mode to escape retribution, by rigging the science and manipulating the scientific debate.

This is an excellent documentary for anyone interested in the subject.
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The Origins of AIDS： The Polio Vaccine (2004 Documentary)

We're still unsure how the AIDS epidemic began. Between 1957 and 1960, Hilary Koprowski was researching a cure for polio. He manufactured a vaccine from monkeys, probably chimps, and injected it into
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Mick Dempsey said:

Gish gallop - Wikipedia

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Do yourselves a favour, let this nutbar blow himself out (Or debate with Pinhead Squirrel which is punishment in its own right)
He’s in his element now, won’t be long before he tells us how he can cure cancer (not even joking)
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from the NIH publication: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK221112/


Despite its great value in controlling a devastating disease, polio vaccine is a source of concern because at least some of the vaccines used between 1955 and 1963, when more than 98 million persons were vaccinated in the United States, are known to have been contaminated with SV40. SV40 is a polyomavirus that commonly infects certain species of Asian macaques, especially the rhesus monkey. Other polyomaviruses, which are generally species-specific, include the BK and JC viruses of humans. Polyomaviruses are a genus of the papovavirus family of DNA viruses. This family also includes the papillomaviruses, of which one—human papillomavirus (HPV)—is causally associated with cervical cancer.

SV40 and other polyomaviruses generally produce inapparent infection in immunocompetent members of their natural host species. SV40 and the closely related human polyomaviruses BK and JC typically reside in renal epithelial cells. These viruses can, however, spread to other tissues and produce pathological effects in immunocompromised hosts or in non-host species. In fact, the presence of SV40 in polio vaccine produced from macaque kidney cell cultures was originally identified because of the cytopathological effects of the contaminated vaccine in African green monkey kidney cell cultures (Sweet and Hilleman, 1960). As another example, the JC virus is known to cause progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy in immunocompromised humans.

With continuing controversy about the role of SV40 in human cancers (Brown and Lewis, 1998; Klein et al., 2002), the Interagency Vaccine Group asked the Immunization Safety Review Committee to address the question of whether exposure to the SV40-contaminated polio vaccine causes cancer in humans. The very abundance of new and emerging literature on the oncogenic potential of SV40 and its association with certain cancers suggests that it is not too late to try to resolve the question of whether SV40 contamination of polio vaccines could cause cancers in humans. Four forms of human cancer— mesothelioma, osteosarcoma, ependymoma, and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL)—have been linked to SV40 in animal studies.

Polio Vaccines and SV40​

Efforts to develop a vaccine effective against the three distinct types of the poliovirus began in the 1930s, but progress was hindered by the difficulty of producing an adequate supply of virus in the laboratory. The development in 1949 of a technique for growing the virus in tissue cultures (Enders et al., 1949) was soon followed by successful trials of a trivalent killed-virus vaccine. In 1954, 400,000 of 1.8 million children from the United States, Canada, and Finland actually received the potentially contaminated inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) developed by Salk and colleagues (Francis et al., 1957). The vaccine was licensed for use in the United States in 1955. Vaccines that used a live attenuated virus and were administered orally were also developed, initially in a monovalent form. The trivalent oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) known as the Sabin vaccine was licensed in the United States in 1963.
The tissue cultures used to grow poliovirus for these vaccines came from kidneys of rhesus and cynomolgus macaques.3 In 1960, Sweet and Hilleman (1960) reported that these tissues could be infected with SV40, a previously unknown virus that commonly infects rhesus macaques. Soon after its discovery, SV40 was shown to be able to produce tumors in hamsters and to transform human cells in culture (Eddy et al., 1961, 1962; Girardi et al., 1962; Koprowski et al., 1962; Shein and Enders, 1962a,b). Testing confirmed that some of the tissue cultures used in producing IPV and OPV were contaminated with SV40. In 1961, the U.S. government established requirements for testing to verify that all new lots of polio vaccine are free of SV40 (Egan, 2002). Potentially contaminated vaccine from previously approved lots of IPV was not recalled, however, and might have been used until early 1963.
IPV administered between 1955 and 1963 to about 98 million children and adults is assumed to be the primary source of human exposure to SV40 in the United States.4 In addition, experimental lots of OPV contaminated with SV40 was administered to about 10,000 people participating in clinical trials between 1959 and 1961. Recipients of the oral vaccine, in contrast to those receiving contaminated IPV, did not develop an antibody response to SV40 (as reviewed in Shah and Nathanson, 1976). This suggests that IPV, not OPV, resulted in the infection of humans with SV40. Nonetheless, concerns about the validity, and in particular the specificity for SV40, of the serologic testing create some uncertainty about this conclusion.
 
And another NIH publication aboutt he mouse virus XMR: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3109487/

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The novel human retrovirus xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV) is arguably the most controversial virus of this moment. After its original discovery in prostate cancer tissue from North American patients, it was subsequently detected in individuals with chronic fatigue syndrome from the same continent. However, most other research groups, mainly from Europe, reported negative results. The positive results could possibly be attributed to contamination with mouse products in a number of cases, as XMRV is nearly identical in nucleotide sequence to endogenous retroviruses in the mouse genome. But the detection of integrated XMRV proviruses in prostate cancer tissue proves it to be a genuine virus that replicates in human cells, leaving the question: how did XMRV enter the human population? We will discuss two possible routes: either via direct virus transmission from mouse to human, as repeatedly seen for, e.g., Hantaviruses, or via the use of mouse-related products by humans, including vaccines. We hypothesize that mouse cells or human cell lines used for vaccine production could have been contaminated with a replicating variant of the XMRV precursors encoded by the mouse genome.

Vaccines, Viruses, and Contamination​

One of the most widely distributed biological products that frequently involved mice or mouse tissue, at least up to recent years, are vaccines, especially vaccines against viruses. Some, for instance vaccines against rabies virus (Plotkin and Wiktor, 1978), yellow fever (YF) virus (Frierson, 2010), and Japanese encephalitis (JE) virus (Inactivated Japanese Encephalitis Virus Vaccine, 1993), consisted of viruses that were cultured on mouse brains. Such vaccines were in use from 1931 (YF vaccine) until now (JE vaccine, licensed in Japan since 1954). For rabies virus, early vaccines were mainly of goat or sheep nerve tissue origin. In addition, suckling mouse brain-derived rabies virus vaccines were used in South America and France (Plotkin and Wiktor, 1978). No mouse-derived rabies vaccine was ever licensed in the USA (Dennehy, 2001). Live-attenuated YF vaccines were originally also grown on mouse brain, but an YF vaccine grown on chicken eggs (named 17D) became available in 1937, and was since the vaccine of choice in the America's. In 1962, contamination of the 17D vaccine with oncogenic avian leukosis virus was detected both in England and in the USA, but fortunately no excess of cancer incidence among vaccines was reported (Frierson, 2010). In France, the mouse brain-derived YF vaccine was discontinued as late as 1982.
Although being the most effective means to prevent infectious diseases and to safe lives, serious contamination problems involving vaccines have occurred (Pastoret, 2010). Contamination with unrelated viruses such as the presence of hepatitis B virus (HBV) in YF vaccine preparations stemming from the use of human serum for stabilization, and simian virus 40 (SV40) and foamy viruses through the use of monkey cell cultures (Pastoret, 2010). Some vaccine viruses are inactivated before use, hopefully also inactivating any contaminating virus particles, but the contaminating virus may be more stable than the vaccine virus. For instance, SV40 is highly resistant to inactivation (Murray, 1964). Endogenous retroviruses constitute a distinct class of contaminating viruses, as these viruses are encoded by all cells of a certain species, and therefore cannot be avoided even through rigorous screening (Miyazawa, 2010). Contamination with endogenous avian leukosis viruses is a major problem for vaccine viruses grown in chicken embryos or chicken embryonic fibroblasts (Hussain et al., 2003). Infectious cat endogenous RD-114 virus has been found in several veterinary vaccines produced in cat cell cultures (Miyazawa et al., 2010; Yoshikawa et al., 2010).
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XMRV and Monoclonal Antibodies​

Apart from vaccines, other mouse-derived biologicals could have been a source of XMRV in the human population. Monoclonal antibodies present a modern treatment for many cancers and other diseases including cardiovascular disease, psoriasis, and auto-immune disorders (for a review see: Stern and Herrmann, 2005). The first monoclonal antibody, OKT3 (to be used against transplant rejection), was approved by the FDA in 1986. The market for monoclonal antibody therapy has been expanding rapidly after the year 2000. Initially, murine antibodies produced by the hybridoma technique were used (Kohler and Milstein, 1975), but these have been largely abandoned because of (sometimes severe) allergic reactions. The murine antibodies were often replaced by humanized antibodies mainly produced in transgenic mice. Monoclonal antibodies generated in mice could possibly be polluted by XMRV and related viruses. Platinum Taq polymerase from Invitrogen Corporation, prepared using mouse monoclonal antibodies, is known to be frequently contaminated with mouse DNA, which can generate false-positive PCR amplifications in combination with X-MLV or XMRV primers (Erlwein et al., 2010a). It is less likely that monoclonal antibodies from mice are a major source of XMRV in the human population as they are in use only recently, but they could provide a future supply of mouse-derived viruses. Although monoclonals are treated with detergents before use in patients, virus inactivation may not be complete, especially as protein function should be conserved. And if retroviral particles containing RNA genomes are copurified with the antibody proteins, the absence of mouse DNA may give a false impression of safety.
 
and here is the 2 minute video where Luc Montagnier says that his team has come tothe conclusion that the virus was manipulated in the lab, though to Moss' admonishon, he puts in the caveat that he's not "saying this it totally right", but this is the conclusion he has come to. Listen to him and make up our own mind:

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Virologist Luc Montagnier (1932-2022) on HIV in Spike Protein

Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier who died on the 8th of February 2022, confirmed HIV in the Spike Protein. He got the Nobel Prize for "identifying" HIV - so if there's anyone on the planet who says H
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moss said:
A true believer is a true believer, there’s no point in trying to convince otherwise.
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Reminds me of the guy that was trying to convince me to use a tautline hitch 5 years after I had switched to a French Prussic. When I told him I had long since moved on from the TH because of the many superior qualities of the FP, he repsonded by telling me that I wasn't keeping an open mind..

SO Ya.. I'm a true believer in the FP over the TH.. there's really no point in trying to convince me otherwise..
 
moss said:
Nope. But his assertions on the origins of Covid are not supported by his peers.
-AJ
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You're grossly misinformed...
You make these statements as if they're true without one shred of supporting evidence. Are we to believe from the above quote that not one of Montagnier's peers believes in the man-made hypothesis?

COVID Origins Hearing Wrap Up: Facts, Science, Evidence Point to a Wuhan Lab Leak​


WASHINGTON—The Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic held a hearing on “Investigating the Origins of COVID-19” to gather facts about the origination of the virus

From scientists appearing before the house oversight committee:

Mounting evidence continues to show that COVID-19 may have originated from a lab in Wuhan, China.

Dr. Robert Redfield, former director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), testified how science indicates COVID-19 infections were likely the result of an accidental lab leak in Wuhan. His conclusion is based on the biology of the virus itself and unusual actions in and around Wuhan in 2019, including gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).

Nicholas Wade—the former science and health editor at the New York Times, and former editor of Science and Nature—testified how Drs. Fauci and Collins used unverified data to dismiss the lab leak theory in favor of natural transmission.

Jamie Metzl testified how China’s government destroyed samples, hid records, imprisoned Chinese journalists, prevented Chinese scientists from saying or writing anything on pandemic origins without prior government approval, actively spread misinformation, and prevented an evidence-based investigation.

The mainstream media downplayed—and even denied—the scientific theory that COVID-19 emerged from the WIV.

Nicholas Wade testified about the campaign to discredit the lab leak theory. He pointed out that scientists kept in line with the natural origin camp led by Drs. Fauci and Collins because of their dependence on government grants and that the media failed to challenge the forced narrative.

All witnesses agreed that the possibility of COVID-19 originating from a lab is not a conspiracy theory.
 
From the Fauci emails:

Unredacted records obtained by The Nation and The Intercept offer detailed insights into those confidential deliberations. The documents show that in the early days of the pandemic, Fauci and Collins took part in a series of email exchanges and telephone calls in which several leading virologists expressed concern that SARS-CoV-2 looked potentially “engineered.” The participants also contemplated the possibility that laboratory activities had inadvertently led to the creation and release of the virus. The conversations convey a sense of anxious urgency and included speculation about the specific types of laboratory techniques that might have caused the virus’s emergence.
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Andersen laid them out plainly in an email to Fauci that same evening. “The unusual features of the virus make up a really small part of the genome (<0.1%) so one has to look really closely at all the sequences to see that some of the features (potentially) look engineered,” Andersen wrote in the email. “I should mention,” he added, “that after discussions earlier today, Eddie, Bob, Mike and myself all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory.
 
Dr. Fauch's lab technicians , scientists has being interviewed live on radio talk show .
They clearly mentioned about Dr.Fauch was the head of the lab right before it's dismantled . And they clearly my mentioned that They were working on annual Avian flus and SARs at the lab .and they won't be surprised that corvid 19 had created in that lab or from Chinese lab.
Or they were created in American Lab in China .

It's very murky area when we look at real natural Zoonotic diseases and fabricated designer's " it purposely made it look like" created by nature viruses.
Let's say I'm going to form a teams to find a one leave with in a small town. When I want to hide an plastic synthetic plastic leave or plants (which can be seen in shabby restaurant joints) Is it wise to leave it on plain site of a sidewalk or somewhere in a Forrest that has so much fallen leaves are ? I mean it's noticable either way. But the detection can be delayed significantly on later one.

Create a disease then release the vaccines and just keep repeating it ?
What a lame operations but it does creates steady big bucks revenues backed by insurance Every years and it does controls populations of certain ages.

Now , back to Corvid-19 .
It could be natural zoonotic deasese ? Or lab created desease ? I mean at is it really came out from wohan wet market or lab ? Or just simply carry the the glass vile container from Lab then walk into a shady Chinese wet market near by is such a easy task & just step away from the lab... I mean where is Tom Cruise who stop this kind of thing happening in Misson Impossible !!? Where is he ?! LMAO
 
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Yeah , We don't need this kind of CONSPIRACY THEORY ...
We US are not responsible of World wide human manslaughter masquer case !!! No !
But I don't know ! LoL
I wonder who the hell is Senior officer who is Whistle blower on a protection.
LMFAO :LOL: :risas:

CIA offered hush money to analysts who found COVID-19 originated in Wuhan lab, whistleblower says

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Whistleblower: CIA paid analysts to change stance on COVID origin

“We take it very seriously. We have an obligation to do oversight,” Rep. Wenstrup said.
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COVID-19 ORIGINS: Experts Consulted by Fauci Suddenly Changed Their Minds

More revelations concerning the initial responses of top officials at the National Institutes of Health about the origins of COVID-19, which killed an estimated 1.1 million Americans, keep dripping out of the federal bureaucracy.
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Daniel said:
You're grossly misinformed...
You make these statements as if they're true without one shred of supporting evidence. Are we to believe from the above quote that not one of Montagnier's peers believes in the man-made hypothesis?

COVID Origins Hearing Wrap Up: Facts, Science, Evidence Point to a Wuhan Lab Leak​


WASHINGTON—The Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic held a hearing on “Investigating the Origins of COVID-19” to gather facts about the origination of the virus

From scientists appearing before the house oversight committee:

Mounting evidence continues to show that COVID-19 may have originated from a lab in Wuhan, China.

Dr. Robert Redfield, former director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), testified how science indicates COVID-19 infections were likely the result of an accidental lab leak in Wuhan. His conclusion is based on the biology of the virus itself and unusual actions in and around Wuhan in 2019, including gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).

Nicholas Wade—the former science and health editor at the New York Times, and former editor of Science and Nature—testified how Drs. Fauci and Collins used unverified data to dismiss the lab leak theory in favor of natural transmission.

Jamie Metzl testified how China’s government destroyed samples, hid records, imprisoned Chinese journalists, prevented Chinese scientists from saying or writing anything on pandemic origins without prior government approval, actively spread misinformation, and prevented an evidence-based investigation.

The mainstream media downplayed—and even denied—the scientific theory that COVID-19 emerged from the WIV.

Nicholas Wade testified about the campaign to discredit the lab leak theory. He pointed out that scientists kept in line with the natural origin camp led by Drs. Fauci and Collins because of their dependence on government grants and that the media failed to challenge the forced narrative.

All witnesses agreed that the possibility of COVID-19 originating from a lab is not a conspiracy theory.
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Obviously as stated above "may have originated" in a lab. That is the correct language. The bickering will continue.

For scientific process to function well conclusions need to be well supported by peers in a given field. Of course one (or more) of Montagnier's peers agrees with him. It's inconclusive at this point in time as stated above in your text.
-AJ
 
Pinhead Squirrel said:
Yeah , We don't need this kind of CONSPIRACY THEORY ...
We are not responsible of World wide human manslaughter masquer case.

LMFAO :LOL: :risas:

CIA offered hush money to analysts who found COVID-19 originated in Wuhan lab, whistleblower says

abc3340.com abc3340.com

www.newsnationnow.com

Whistleblower: CIA paid analysts to change stance on COVID origin

“We take it very seriously. We have an obligation to do oversight,” Rep. Wenstrup said.
www.newsnationnow.com www.newsnationnow.com

www.heritage.org

COVID-19 ORIGINS: Experts Consulted by Fauci Suddenly Changed Their Minds

More revelations concerning the initial responses of top officials at the National Institutes of Health about the origins of COVID-19, which killed an estimated 1.1 million Americans, keep dripping out of the federal bureaucracy.
www.heritage.org www.heritage.org

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This is all very interesting but the greatest harm done to the American people regarding Covid preparedness was when our notorious president at the time denied that Covid was going to be a problem when the first infections started happening in North America. Then as Covid started to spread the infamous quote: "The reason our COVID-19 rates are so high is because we are testing too much".

Then Trump supported rapid development of a Covid vaccine, which he took credit for. His delay in action was costly in lives but the vaccine's were ultimately successful. He has taken credit. Shhhh! His core supporters are not appreciative.

Fauci has been presented as the grand villain for changing his positions multiple times during the pandemic. Hindsight is always 20/20. Duh. A good leader responds to new information and makes changes. Didn't anyone learn from the saying we've been hearing since kindergarten? Don't kill the messenger.

Just for the hell of it notice I'm writing my own text and you can do a Google search, I'm not regurgitating anyone else's talking points. Do your research! ;-)
-AJ
 
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moss said:
KOThis is all very interesting but the greatest harm done to the American people regarding Covid preparedness was when our notorious president at the time denied that Covid was going to be a problem when the first infections started happening in North America. Then as Covid started to spread the infamous quote: "The reason our COVID-19 rates are so high is because we are testing too much".

Then Trump supported rapid development of a Covid vaccine, which he took credit for. His delay in action was costly but the vaccine's were ultimately successful. He has taken credit. Shhhh! His core supporters are not appreciative.

Fauci has been presented as the grand villain for changing his positions multiple times during the pandemic. Hindsight is always 20/20. Duh. A good leader responds to new information and makes changes. Didn't anyone learn from the saying we've been hearing since kindergarten? Don't kill the messenger.

Just for the hell of it notice I'm writing my own text and you can do a Google search, I'm not regurgitating anyone else's talking points. Do your research! ;-)
-AJ
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Didn't he told us to drink or inject " BLEACH " at one point ?? that I do remember also ...
yeah ... I can see he really wanted protect us... LMFAO :risas:
 
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Pinhead Squirrel said:
Didn't he told us to drink " BLEACH " at one point that I do remember also ... LMFAO :risas:
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There is not enough space available to list all of his bizarre theories and statements.

The ivermectin cure was a good one. We can all sleep better knowing some percentage of the American population was successfully de-wormed during the pandemic. Ivermectin is very effective against mange too!
-AJ
 
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