Roe v Wade overturned
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Bucknut
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What a sad and revealing sentence.
@Bucknut you sound willing to take a life too.
Reach
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I have been remaining silent on this issue for far too long, and to those who have been standing alone in the face of very strong opposition, I apologize.
I wish to first point out a couple errors I have seen here. First off, the United States is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. Big difference there, the basic idea of a constitutional republic is that the people elect representatives, who are meant to be persons of character, who will make the proper decisions to keep this nation running, using the constitution as a guide and a limiting device.
This nation was designed to be a collection of sovereign states, independent, but connected through a federal government that was intended to enable a collection of independent states to come together in defense of one another, and to help each other as needed, but to largely operate as independent units, within the bounds of the constitution that holds these states together.
On that basis, the legality of abortion, like many other issues, should be determined by the individual states, not the federal government.
As for the debate on gun control, the second amendment was created with the intention to ensure that the states and their citizens should have sufficient power to overthrow the government should the need arise. The preamble to the Declaration of Independence even states that it is our duty to throw off certain governments. We cannot do that if we are not permitted the arms necessary to do so. The misuse of those weapons by a few does not negate the need for the many to maintain the ability to come together and overthrow the government, in order to keep the power of the federal government in check.
On a more personal level, I do believe that abortion is wrong. Always, in every case. I consider all life to be sacred, both that of those who have been born already and those who have not yet been born. I will not go into what I do personally to help provide for those who have been born and are in need, but suffice to say I do as much as I can to support them as well, as they do need help as much as those who have not yet been born.
I wish to first point out a couple errors I have seen here. First off, the United States is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. Big difference there, the basic idea of a constitutional republic is that the people elect representatives, who are meant to be persons of character, who will make the proper decisions to keep this nation running, using the constitution as a guide and a limiting device.
This nation was designed to be a collection of sovereign states, independent, but connected through a federal government that was intended to enable a collection of independent states to come together in defense of one another, and to help each other as needed, but to largely operate as independent units, within the bounds of the constitution that holds these states together.
On that basis, the legality of abortion, like many other issues, should be determined by the individual states, not the federal government.
As for the debate on gun control, the second amendment was created with the intention to ensure that the states and their citizens should have sufficient power to overthrow the government should the need arise. The preamble to the Declaration of Independence even states that it is our duty to throw off certain governments. We cannot do that if we are not permitted the arms necessary to do so. The misuse of those weapons by a few does not negate the need for the many to maintain the ability to come together and overthrow the government, in order to keep the power of the federal government in check.
On a more personal level, I do believe that abortion is wrong. Always, in every case. I consider all life to be sacred, both that of those who have been born already and those who have not yet been born. I will not go into what I do personally to help provide for those who have been born and are in need, but suffice to say I do as much as I can to support them as well, as they do need help as much as those who have not yet been born.
Bucknut
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@Boomslang How many fetuses have held you or your family at gunpoint? The life of a cretinous thug trying to kill me is certainly less sacred than my right to defend my own life. And hardly on par with an unborn child.
They share a similarity in that they are both unwanted. One unwanted life is not more sacred than another unwanted life.
That is how it is supposed to work, but that is naive. Political activist are not confined to their home states. The amount of money, and even candidates (!) coming from out of state is more than you think. Activists on both sides have already declared their intentions to go campaign in other states.
Like when the federal government goes into the business of seizing control of the reproductive rights of its people?
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Laughable at best...
climbhightree
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Do you have a break down of that study? How many of those deaths were due to gang violence (especially since it says non suicide)? How many of those deaths were in democrat run cities, where gun control is already extremely tight (therefore gun control is not the problem)?
The problem isn't guns. The problem is the break down of families and society morals where kids don't have the support and don't know how to deal with not getting what they want or feel they deserve. More and more kids these days don't know how to deal with rejection or failure...they don't know how to get up, dust themselves off and try again without getting angry or entitled.
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Using the Originalist argument here doesn't work. in the ~~~250 years what do we have incommon with how the nation was founded? There are plenty of things that were left out of the Constitution that have been addressed over time.
When are the cities controlling the nation? The cities aren't thee citizens who vote. A vote is used by the person and its independent of where the voter lives. I've seen charts that follow how the US population has shifted between rural/urban over time. That's not germaine here. One person/one vote. Not based on residency.
More intellectual dishonesty, hypocrisy, and word salad courtesy of the American Taliban
climbhightree
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A city/suburbs doesn't have the same requirements and/or needs as a rural area. California has more people than South Dakota. Without electoral college South Dakota would have no say in an election and their needs would not be addressed or talked about by a president...because they don't have the numbers.
climbhightree
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So once again just going to attacks instead of debating the topics and presenting questions/facts. I don't think you have answered even one of my questions in thread. I have tried to answer most of yours, or expressed my side without personal attacks or degrading you with names etc.
Show me the facts. Use your intellect, not off topic bashing.
CHTjules
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You could have some points worth discussing. Can you make your case with respect and back up your points with data, etc.?
Reach
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I do not believe that this government has ever seized the reproductive rights of the people. The government of the Peoples Republic of China has, but not the government of the United States.
Being granted permission to have one’s own child murdered before birth is not a reproductive right. A reproductive right is being given permission for any one person to decide whether or not they want to reproduce. It is up to that individual to make that decision, and once the decision has been made to reproduce, it is that person’s duty to care for their offspring.
Being told that one must have, or may not have, a certain number of children is an example of the government taking away the reproductive rights of the individual, such as how the PRC has put a limit on the number of children that a couple may have, is such an example.
CHTjules
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Thanks for "sharing the arrows", as a news commentator I appreciate often says
. She also says we are to "respectfully raise a ruckus", which I will continue to do for the lives all of the innocent, especially those who can't for themselves.Off topic bashing...Please. A few minutes of research is all it takes to understand that a majority of the top ten states with the highest per capita murder rates are republican run, yet you are here making make intellectually dishonest and misleading statements to the contrary...
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I am carry on a conversation with a fella who suggested that a woman "just needs to keep her legs closed" and your here asking for some respect? Do you respect the Taliban for the way they treat woman?
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