Customer service nightmare

Treeline

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I had a gentleman call me this evening to ask if we were the ones to grind a stump at a certain address, I said “hold on let me check our records”. I go check jobber and QuickBooks and I have no record of his name or address so I say “no sir that wasn’t us” he hangs up.

Calls back an hour later (9 PM) says he caught me in a lie because he saved my number in his phone and we were definitely the ones to do the work. (Apparently whoever did the work didn’t do a good job.) he’s threatening to bring his wife to the office to go over my head and talk to “the big boss” (I’m the owner) he’s threatening to start leaving negative reviews etc etc. i finally interrupted him and explained that I was the owner and apologized. I tell him if it was us then we will absolutely make it right and stand behind our work. We set up a time for me to come out Friday and “make it right.”

After I got off the phone with him I went through every shred of paperwork and notes that I’ve made in the past 3 months. I called one of my guys to make sure I’m not overlooking or forgetting something we did, and he says no. Neither one of us have any recollection of this address that just happens to be in another town 30 minutes away where we rarely work.

I called the guy back and explained again I have no problem making this right if it was us but that I think he might have us confused with someone else and he then says I’m calling him a liar. To which I reply, “no sir I’m not calling you a liar, I just simply think we may have a misunderstanding” I then explained how we keep detailed records on every client and transaction, but I have no record of him or the address in my system. I ask if there’s any way he could describe the truck and or the person who preformed the work, he says no, but his wife could point out the person if she saw them. (I only have 2 employees and only one of them is capable of doing a stump job solo) so it could only be me or my other guy. He also tells me the date it was done and says he can send me pictures of the stump before and after.

We get off the phone and I check my calendar for May 11 when we supposedly did the job and I see that we did 2 jobs that day in our home town. I vividly remember that day because I was busy trying to get things ready for a family beach trip and we worked late that day removing two trees for two neighbors. There’s no way we would have gone 30 minutes away to grind a stump on this day. Then he sends me the pictures. The stump in question looked to be a massive oak stump at least 5-6 feet across. The after pictures showed at least 15-20 yards of chips. There is no way we would forget doing a stump like this. Someone even had to remove a chainlink fence to grind the stump.

Long story short, we did not do this job. But he is irate and convinced it was us. I’m at a dead end and don’t know how to handle this situation. The stump is too big and too far away from me to go fix another companies poor workmanship on my dime. But at the same time we pride ourselves on customer service and our 5 star reviews on Google.

How would you guys handle this situation? Suck it up and fix someone else’s work for free or do nothing and take the negative reviews on the chin?
 
That is a complex situation!
My first google review was a one star from a job I declined. The dude was a asshole and I’ll spare you the details. He repeatedly ask me which company I was with, both on the phone and in person. I walked onto his property on time to see a spar unfinished. Super fresh, and he told me he paid the line clearance company to take the tree down, but all that was left was a spar.
The whole situation stank, and I was healing a open fracture on my foot, hobbling in sandals.
I gave him a referral, and he blew up yelling at me as I walked back to the truck.
Never did shit for the guy, and even argued the review to google never to get it lifted.
Some people suck!
Is there any company which a similar name? Can you think of any possible way he can confuse you with someone else? Regardless of what they do, I’d start thinking of that, or some way to rebut or argue your point of view. The last thing I’d do is any service to try to make him go away. Sure you can go out of your way to meet with him so his wife can do a line up.. you say that you have only two people who could work like that, out of a crew of 3, and there is no way either of you could have forgotten the job. You have me convinced, but how can you prove that in a rebuttal? This is just a thinking point and me not believing you, but speak to the audience not the person.
 
Ask how he paid. If it was check or card, that is easy peasy. Probably cash (of course). Does he have a receipt showing payment? (do you always issue receipts?) Offer to show him receipts for the other 2 jobs that day. I think you started out right not being "defensive" about it. Stick with the misunderstanding line.
 
PS: do you have his number in your phone from a previous call? You could look at your call log and acknowledge "yes, I looked back and see that we talked once on May 3 (or whatever), but that was a 30 second call. I honestly don't recall the conversation, but sure doesn't seem like enough to set up a grinding job." If it is not...I think you can get a detailed invoice from most cell phone companies listing all calls. Offer to show him that you have no record of a call. He may have saved your number intending to call, but settled on somebody else.

I say all of this...but how many reviews do you have? How busy are you? I don't want a bad review...but we are booked out 3 months so I wouldn't let one bother me. Is it worth spending any more time on this or just have a final conversation "I'm sorry sir. I know for a fact that we could not have been there on May 11. I'm almost as certain that we were not there another day. If we were, I would come make it right myself,but we cannot afford to correct somebody else's mistakes or poor work"

(Do you know with certainty that one of your guys didn't do an after work job with your grinder?)
 
PS: do you have his number in your phone from a previous call? You could look at your call log and acknowledge "yes, I looked back and see that we talked once on May 3 (or whatever), but that was a 30 second call. I honestly don't recall the conversation, but sure doesn't seem like enough to set up a grinding job." If it is not...I think you can get a detailed invoice from most cell phone companies listing all calls. Offer to show him that you have no record of a call. He may have saved your number intending to call, but settled on somebody else.

I say all of this...but how many reviews do you have? How busy are you? I don't want a bad review...but we are booked out 3 months so I wouldn't let one bother me. Is it worth spending any more time on this or just have a final conversation "I'm sorry sir. I know for a fact that we could not have been there on May 11. I'm almost as certain that we were not there another day. If we were, I would come make it right myself,but we cannot afford to correct somebody else's mistakes or poor work"

(Do you know with certainty that one of your guys didn't do an after work job with your grinder?)
Ok so I do have a memory of speaking with someone around this time who wanted a quote over the phone, I explained we can’t quote over the phone but I was happy to come out and give an in person quote. He wanted to send pictures first so I could give him a ballpark. I agreed to give a non binding range of prices the stump might fit in. I never received pictures from the guy (I think he sent tried to send them to my office landline) I tried calling back to let him know I didn’t receive them and I got no answer and a voicemail that hadn’t been set up yet so I moved on and never heard from him again.

Im going to try to pull phone records this morning to see if this was him or not.
 
Can you go meet with him and his wife? Show them your truck and your face and maybe they will realize they are wrong?
This was my original plan, but after he sent me pictures and dates, I know for a fact it wasn’t us. So the thought of me taking both of my guys off of a job and driving 30 minutes each way burning 5.60 per gallon diesel to do some sort of “Criminal Style” Line up doesn’t sit well with me.

Also I have decided, if these people are actually trying to scam me into fixing someone else’s work of course they are going to point at one of my guys and say “he did it”. And at that point all I would be able to do is call them a liar or give in to their wishes.
 
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The guy may have some degree of dementia or other mental condition causing his confusion, but if that's the case, I'd think that would make it less likely that he'd keep pursuing the same mistaken notion. Who knows. He could be in early stages and not even diagnosed. If you've been around someone suffering from such problems, you know sometimes 2+2=5 in their mind.

Doesn't make things any different on your end regardless.

I wouldn't go for a line up. I suspect his wife will say it's you because she would not want the backlash from her husband if she said otherwise. Or he'd claim she was mistaken. Waste of time and money.
 
If for a fact it wasn’t you. I would tell them politely to F-off and any negative reviews will be met with a defamation law suite. But all that is a lot of work and money over a stump that you didn’t grind. Block his number and move on. One bad review out of 100 good reviews tells me that person is a nut job who wrote the bad review.
 
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The guy may have some degree of dementia or other mental condition causing his confusion, but if that's the case, I'd think that would make it less likely that he'd keep pursuing the same mistaken notion. Who knows. He could be in early stages and not even diagnosed. If you've been around someone suffering from such problems, you know sometimes 2+2=5 in their mind.

Doesn't make things any different on your end regardless.

I wouldn't go for a line up. I suspect his wife will say it's you because she would not want the backlash from her husband if she said otherwise. Or he'd claim she was mistaken. Waste of time and money.
Dementia has crossed my mind. In my experience people with dementia settle on the what they think is the truth and will take that to the grave.
 
This was my original plan, but after he sent me pictures and dates, I know for a fact it wasn’t us. So the thought of me taking both of my guys off of a job and driving 30 minutes each way burning 5.60 per gallon diesel to do some sort of “Criminal Style” Line up doesn’t sit well with me.

Also I have decided, if these people are actually trying to scam me into fixing someone else’s work of course they are going to point at one of my guys and say “he did it”. And at that point all I would be able to do is call them a liar or give in to their wishes.
You can always bring a few friends that don’t work for you and leave your crew at the shop.
 
At this point, seeing that you can't find any records of doing the job, I would say that the burden of proof lies with them. The only way there WOULDN'T be a paper trail is if they paid cash and got no receipt for the work. It also seems like someone else like a neighbor would be able to corroborate their story if the job was so big. If you're sure you didn't do the job, stick to your guns.
 
If for a fact it wasn’t you. I would tell them to politely to F-off and any negative reviews will be met with a defamation law suite. But all that is a lot of work and money over a stump that you didn’t grind. Block his number and move on. One bad review out of 100 good reviews tells me that person is a nut job who wrote the bad review.
That’s where I’m at. I’m gonna give him one final polite phone call letting him know it was not us and I’m gonna go about my business. It’s so hard to do knowing the times we are living in, where the internet has such a heavy influence on peoples decisions. Yet anyone has the power to make claims without any verification process. I would love to see Google implement some type of process to verify reviewers as actual customers. I have one bad review now from someone several states away that I have never had any interaction with. They left a 3 star review stating we were “not staffed well enough for storms”… Never mind the fact we have a 40 ton crane, nifty lift, loaders, tractors and more specialized rigging than anyone around.
 
That’s where I’m at. I’m gonna give him one final polite phone call letting him know it was not us and I’m gonna go about my business. It’s so hard to do knowing the times we are living in, where the internet has such a heavy influence on peoples decisions. Yet anyone has the power to make claims without any verification process. I would love to see Google implement some type of process to verify reviewers as actual customers. I have one bad review now from someone several states away that I have never had any interaction with. They left a 3 star review stating we were “not staffed well enough for storms”… Never mind the fact we have a 40 ton crane, nifty lift, loaders, tractors and more specialized rigging than anyone around.
My business is easily 90% word of mouth. The only advertising I run is on my trucks and I have one brick and mortar sign. Word of mouth weeds out a lot of drama. Just keep on keeping on and damn the torpedoes.
 
My business is easily 90% word of mouth. The only advertising I run is on my trucks and I have one brick and mortar sign. Word of mouth weeds out a lot of drama. Just keep on keeping on and damn the torpedoes.
Same here. We don’t even have a sign at our shop. It’s just irritating when someone threatens to smear your reputation over the actions of another company. I guess that’s one of the “roll with the punches” parts of owning a business.
 

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