Thanks - I appreciate your respect and civility! I wish many others (including on this forum) who disagreed with those whose perspective and thoughts were not the same as theirs would show the same regard; I think that would be beneficial to all and facilitate better discussion and debate, even if we fervently disagree.
You seems to advocate for keeping personal things personal but dont have a problem telling other people what to do regarding their bodies which seems personal to me. All your points are precitable and bring nothing new to this conversation, unwaivering means you are not hear to have a real discussion but rather just argue within your narrow box.
Please cite an example where I told someone what they need to do with their body.
You are not opposed to choices as long as you agree with them. You graciously grant forgiveness and grace to those that believe only what what you believe and if they dont then bads things will happen to them in the end. This post is contradictory. FYI using many powerful adjectives and listing credentials doesnt help your position.
Come on really stop the word games, your whole stance here is to change a law that gives people the right to choose what they want to do with their own bodies. Basically ever post you have made here is an example. Are you saying you dont support overturning Roe v Wade?
Problem here is that you dont realize everything you say is an opinion, you talk as though it is fact. Please site where I have told you that I think you should get an abortion and have taken steps to efforce that. I truely understand that it is your conviction that abortion is wrong, bad and ugly but thats not the root here, please try and look past that. This is about people making desicions for themselves and you seem to refuse to understand that. Its not anyones place to tell someone else they shouldnt have an abortion just as it is silly for me to suggest that someone should. I cant spell it out any other way. I hear you and am fine with your conviction. I think we are done here. Look forward to you contributing on other threads relating to trees.
Yes it does. (Certainly more than the incessant f-bombs and classless language that certain participants -not you- in this thread can’t help but sprinkle into every post.). I’m ok with credentials and highfalutin’ fancy words like adjectives.
And you seem to refuse to understand that millions of people don’t think that a woman’s decision to abort affects only herself.
What are they scared of?
LOL. Oh my God, stop! Laughing so hard I can’t breathe!
Let me clarify, I am advocating for choice across the boards regardless if I agree with it. To say you dont oppose choice then advocate from a position that removes people choice is contradictory. After years of conversing with you I thought you were a small govt stay out of my business guy. And yes I try to keep my keyboard banter respectful, but good arguements are based in substance not highfalutin adjectives and CAPITAL letters. Solid agruements dont need them. Also claiming grace and forgiviness will be only granted to those that agree with a narrow religious view is arrogant and more offensive that f bombs IMO
In that case let’s simply just let a higher power than human decide on the legality of it, and let the individual make their rightful choice?
One can only hope, but I doubt it would amount to much unlike a insurrection and or a Hostage situation
As I did not understand the religious nuances behind "giving grace," I did some (admittedly limited) reading about that particular "bestowal of forgiveness." The best (worst) practical example that I found went something like this:
If you go back and re-read what I wrote, I did not say I was extending forgiveness, as (in the example of abortion) nothing was done directly to me therefore there is nothing I can forgive. There is a difference between grace and forgiveness, although sometimes they do go together if the person who an act is commited against is willing to forgive, then they are also extending grace.
My whole stance is is that I don't want innocent humans in the womb to be killed and to advocate for them as they are never given an opportunity to make any choices for themselves. Nowhere did I say I was willing to grant forgiveness (as I explained above I cannot unless the act is committed against me) to someone who killed an innocent human; if someone commits an act towards me, even if their beliefs don't align with what I believe, I can still choose to forgive them. I can, however, show compassion and extend grace to someone who had an abortion, even, and especially to, those who don't align with my "narrow religious view" (which you called it earlier).
When you say "everthing you (me) say is an opinion" what examples are you talking about? I am guessing, although I don't want to assume anything, you mean that abortion kills an innocent human that is located in the womb. I never said you told me I think I should get an abortion, so I'm confused by your second sentence. And if "this is about people making decisions for themselves, and you (I) seem to refuse to understand that", what about the babies that are murdered never having the opportunity to make any choices for themselves? (Said another way, this isn't about people making decisions for themselves and you seem to refuse to understand that so please try and look past that. Why isn't the murder of innocent children being wrong the root here?)
Like not murdering an individual in the womb so they can make their choices?
As a courtesy I will provide this follow up response. I have stated that I understand your position. Murdering an innocent human being is wrong. I am fine with your opinion, although I disagree. I have done my best to explain my position from several perspectives. This discuss has become circular.
